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Prosecutors have charged a Metropolitan Police officer with murder after he shot rapper Chris Kaba in London last year.

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[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What a confusing headline. The cop did not, in fact, shoot a dead man. He shot a live man, killing him.

Same headline with fixed grammar:

London Cop Who Shot Unarmed Black Man Dead Charged With Murder

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 64 points 1 year ago

The headline is grammatically correct and only confusing if you're not super familiar with the phrase "shot dead".

It would be clearer just by saying "shot and killed".

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

He shot them dead. It’s a figure of speech, meaning the shot was fatal. So the headline is fine. He shot dead a cat. He shot dead an old lady. He shot dead a black kid.

[–] reverendsteveii@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The headline is technically grammatically correct but ambiguous. "...shot and killed unarmed black man" would have been better. If you absolutely need to stick to word/character count, "shot unarmed black man dead" would be less ambiguous and more in keeping with how people actually use "shot dead". I've watched a lot of westerns and I can think of quite a few where someone says "I shot him dead" but not one where someone says "I shot dead him".

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or just leave out “dead” entirely—it’s already implied by the murder charge.

[–] Pips@lemmy.film 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes and no, technically without "dead" and leaving the rest of the sentence unchanged, it could imply the cop has a separate murder charge. A better headline is "London Cop Charged With Murder After Shooting And Killing Unarmed Black Man."

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That doesn’t rule out the logical possibility of the murder charge being for a different incident. But you could eliminate it with “London Cop Charged With Murder For Shooting Unarmed Black Man”.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Where were you when the editor didn't do their job?

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

For a secon thrre I thigh he shot a walking dead man and was wondering why he was going to jail

[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, it would need a comma to convey that meaning:

"London Cop Who Shot Dead, Unarmed Black Man Charged With Murder"

"Shot dead" is a common phrase in original English.

[–] sygnius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This whole article has a few confusing points, and the article never clarifies them. So the vehicle is confirmed to be involved with a shooting the day before. The vehicle does not belong to the rapper, but was driving it. How did the rapper acquire the vehicle? Was he actually involved in the shooting the day before or not? Did someone he knows give it to him? Lots of questions, bad article.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Imagine consequences for public servants

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. It is what he deserves.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Technically, it's part of figuring out what he deserves

[–] sygnius@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, I'm really confused by this. He did not own the vehicle, but this was a vehicle used in a crime the day before. How did the rapper end up driving the suspected car???

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Why does it matter relative to the cop murdering this man?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The headline is confusing because it had to stretch really far to not say that the cop murdered the guy.

[–] whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It literally states that the cop shot the guy dead, I don't really see any stretches

[–] supert@lemmy.sdfeu.org 3 points 1 year ago

That it was murder is not yet proved.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

the headline is absolutely correct. He has killed a black Man and is charged with murder. He is however not yet convicted of murdering the other guy.