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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 71 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fact checking Trump is pointless. The people who don't like him know every word out of his mouth is either a lie or a personal attack. The people who like him either don't care or won't believe you.

Fact checking Biden at that debate is pointless because everyone on both sides is going to care about how he lost his poise and fumbled so many words.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If you care about facts, I think fact checking is important.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

A fraction of undecided voters may decide the next election, and they might be weighing whether they care more about Biden's age or Trump's lies. I think fact checking could matter to those people too. No one is swaying Trump voters.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

This liner of reasoning is useless. People have been repeating it for 6 years and the inky thing it does is promote apathy in the undecided and convince cultists that they're right

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

it's not just facts. If Trump suddenly only said things that were true between now and polling day - but didnt change any of his policy positions- would you vote for him?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

And everyone who cares about facts would never vote for him.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yea but I always like reading Trump fact checking…. It’s like playing where’s Waldo where what you are really looking for it anything, anything at all that he said that is actually true.

I don’t think the substance of the debate matters that much though, if at all.

Biden looked so pathetic. All he had to do was go out there and talk about what a failure Trump is, then make fun of his small hands. Biden instead looked like an ailing grandfather in hospice with dementia

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You got a downvote for speaking the truth. Every media outlet is reporting on Biden not looking good out there. This isn't just biased reporting from one side to make Biden look bad. I'm a big fan of Biden and all he has tried to do AND actually done in his time with a split legislature, but watching the clips of him was rough. He actually talked about playing golf with Trump during a debate???

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

I don’t really care about downvotes… my instance doesn’t keep them tabulated so I have no idea what my score is or whatever

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm pretty sure Biden didn't beat Medicare.

Biden pulled a Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Instead of declaring that he would not run for reelection early on, we now find ourselves in a situation where the end of American democracy is not only possible but probable.

EDIT: Downvote away but if you think a Trump win isn't the end of American democracy, then you are delusional.

[–] Krono 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think its only a RBG situation if Biden dies soon.

It's more of a Diane Feinstein situation, where everyone can see the dementia progressing, but everyone around them has a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I'm capable of articulating just how fucked up it is that that level of nuance is even possible, let alone backed up with recent examples.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even Mitch "The Bitch" McConnell was quoted saying:

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

An error occurred. Mitch.exe has crashed.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Project 2025.. Fuck. Ukraine. Fuck. Palestine. Fuck. Biden needs to retire, seriously.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So most of Trump's are just outright lies, while most of Biden's are things like "Well it's true it happened but it's hard to know if it's because of him," or "It's true Trump said that a bunch of times but he hasn't been saying that lately."

[–] tyler@programming.dev 16 points 5 months ago

We’re fucked.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

They need a format that breaks the debate up into sections and actually includes fact checking, and a cross examination after each section. Have a team scrambling to find the records, studies, video clips and other evidence that they can bring up. Someone who is mostly honest gets lay ups and affirmation. Someone who lies constantly gets called out and put on the defensive.

Wouldn't happen of course. Even if the hosts were down to have someone take on a more adversarial role, Trump would never agree to something that actually holds him accountable for spewing nothing but bullshit. It's his entire strategy, if he can't sell snake oil he has nothing to sell at all.

[–] JoShmoe@ani.social 3 points 5 months ago

I really hope this article isn’t giving Biden the credit that Greg Abbott earned.