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[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 48 points 2 days ago

leftists aren't bad at anger, we just get killed when we use it

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Death to the Bourgeoisie and its lapdogs – Long live the Red Terror - 1918

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable..

Marx, Editorial in Final edition of Neue Rheinische Zeitung (1849)

Also fuck the dems, theyre using fear and anger all the time, just listen to their dog whistle bullshit about migrants and the border, look at the most important election of our lives bit

theyre sick

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Beautiful image kel-bliss

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

Too good at it

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago

There's something buried in this - Afaik it's nto "rural conservatives". It's fash in the first ring and second ring suburbs that constitute the GOP's base. I think there's a degree to where libs and fash can afford to be sloppy; For one, they're delusional about how politics work, and for two they're dogs of capital so it doesn't matter who they alienate, both sides support capital. Whereas we need to flip many people, and many of those people are from low income, low education, low resource groups that are specifically targetted for deprivation and neglect by the capitalist state. If the libs talk shit about rural people that's fine, they aren't losing anything. The GOP can talk shit about people living in "warzone" cities and they're fine. But we need both of those groups on our side, one way or another.

Like, OP even says it in their post; We worry about making jokes about poor working people, while think tanks and media owners have seething hatred and contempt for those same people. We gotta punch up. They can punch down all they want, but we're just hurting our own cause by punching down.

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it is not a matter of punching up or punching down but how either is done. If you straight up tell rural poor people you want to make their lives better and build a better future for all it will simply not connect and perhaps even get you called "gay." If you meet them where they are and tell them their towns aren't shit and they have been voting for shit because they have been too demoralized to pursue what they are owed, they might actually say you are giving the tough talk that is needed and that you aren't mincing words like some bullshitter.

You are less likely to uplift the already downtrodden by starting off with a message couched in positivity and auspiciousness, it just is not how the terms of engagement in such societies are. I have lived in the poorest areas in India, China, Jordan and the US and I know this much to be true. That is not to mention that rural red area politics aren't a monolith, and there are good chunks of people who are liberal but outnumbered, hate the beliefs and policies of where they are, and are forced to hold their tongue due to social pressure, and such people are just waiting for a fearless shit talker left-leaning leader to galvanize them and finally make their displeasure socially acceptable enough to voice.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 days ago

Hatred is a powerful emotion and Dems don't want to unleash it, because the people we hate are the friends they go to brunch with.

Leftists have no excuse. Is your hate pure?

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is your hate pure?

I embraced it. There is nothing left that ties me to these wastes of genetic material other than a national identifier that I don't even claim anymore. I reserve my Marxist tendencies for my people-- mother fuck an 'Amerikan'.

[-] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Facts. I stopped calling myself anything Amerikan years ago

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Hatred and anger are good. I hate fascists and I'm angry at them for the atrocities they commit. But fed man will kill me if I take that anger out on their bodies.

Anyway I think we should be stoking hatred actually. It's good to hate fascists

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

I think the tendency for the left to not revel in hatred and violence is multi faceted, but it ultimately stems from two points.

A. We have objectives that are material.

B. All wars end at some point.

Reactionaries revel in violence and hatred because it’s really all they have to offer.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hatred and anger are the easiest ways to find solidarity, just wait for the next time your boss opens their mouth

After the latest layoffs I've been pretty blatant with my shit talking in the breakroom even around the local managers, and they just chuckle along

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Agreed but I meant more as a rhetorical tool by leadership, and a talking point dissemination strategy

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

the "problem" is that leftists wanting to make everyone's lives better kinda precludes hating a third of them

sure by all means start beating on the "republican politicians hate you" drum. I mean, good luck with that lmao, even though it's true as hell

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure but there is no way to implement a policy that makes people's lives better that doesn't initially go against the will of a ton of people who'd actually benefit down the line. It is never going to be a process where you first convince everyone who'd eventually use something to get on board with passing it, it's always going to be you steam rolling that third of people polarized against it, and then when they find some occasion later to use the benefits you've passed, because "fuck it, they're there anyway," that the benefits become unretractable. There is no path to public welfare that lets you avoid paternalism and believing you know what's better for some people than they do themselves.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

rural conservatives and rural business owners have two different vectors of hate shrug-outta-hecks

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