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Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists faced extreme heat exposure that killed one and sent another to a local hospital, according to the National Park Service.

When there’s a medical emergency like this, helicopters are typically dispatched to get people to a hospital. However, the extreme heat made it impossible for the helicopters to fly.

The next day, an emergency helicopter pilot in Stanford, California had to cancel a flight because the tarmac near a patient was too hot for him to land. As reported by The Washington Post on Wednesday, the pilot said he’d never seen temperatures this bad in his 27-year career.

Extreme heat, as many across the U.S. are experiencing this summer, can cause computer and mechanical systems on board helicopters to overheat and malfunction. But it’s not just a mechanical issue as air pressure is also a factor. Air expands when it’s hot and contracts when it’s cold. As it gets hotter outside, air pressure plummets. The air literally gets thin which means that spinning helicopter blades have less air to cut through and it’s harder for them to achieve lift. That makes it dangerous, and sometimes impossible, to fly.

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[–] ignirtoq@fedia.io 97 points 4 months ago (4 children)

People need to start changing their behavior about this heat. I know this sounds like victim blaming. I know people shouldn't have to change their behavior because we saw global warning coming for 30 years and should have prevented this from happening. But it's happening. You can't go into Death Valley in the summer anymore. You just can't. Please don't put yourself in this position.

It's a tragedy that this death happened. We absolutely need to adapt our emergency services to this heat to try to prevent something like this from happening again. But we also need to change our behaviors so we don't end up in that position in the first place.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know people shouldn’t have to change their behavior

The whole reason we're in this situation is because we refuse to change our behavior.

[–] ignirtoq@fedia.io 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, we're in this position because of a failure of leadership. Leaders can unite people behind doing things they don't want to do. It's how rationing was tolerated for years in WWII. But we have an entire political party built around telling people what they want to hear while working against their interests for the wealthy's short term gains. We could have conquered this from the top-down with a good plan and charismatic leaders supporting it.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Except we wont elect leadership that will do something. The electorate has been brainwashed by decades of advertisements that have convinced them that they deserve the very best of everything. Any possible leader that would push for a strong solution to climate change wouldn't get the votes and they wouldn't get those corporate "campaign contributions".

We have two entire political parties built around telling people what they want to hear.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Even mild solutions get shouted down. In Canada we have a carbon tax that mostly ends up getting returned to Canadians in the form of a rebate. Reportedly 80% of Canadians receive more from the rebate than they spend on the tax.

The conservative party have managed to politicize the tax and seem poised to win the next election, with "scrap the tax" being a big part of their platform. We have a province literally going rogue and refusing to pay the tax, causing our tax agency to garnish them essentially.

Shit is fucking wild. All over a marginal tax that benefits poor people and punishes the heaviest polluters. People are so fucking stupid and selfish it drives me fucking nuts.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago

Leaders can unite people behind doing things

It seems to me that people want to make the world worse, because that's what people are doing.

[–] Takashiro 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)

"We" is incorrect, it is mostly the rich refusing and sabotaging change,

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s the global 1% not just the ultra rich

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly, a middle class American has an enormous carbon foot print compared to a middle class person in the rest of the world.

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[–] Killer57@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Man, it's almost like it's called Death Valley for a reason or something

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

You can still ride safely in Mild Bummer Valley.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah but judging by the success of Liquid Death water, there is a certain group of people who are attracted to things with morbid names.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

And behaviour includes food, agriculture, luxuries (like hobbies), etc.

But not gamers, we are doing all the right things already.

I know people shouldn’t have to change their behavior because we saw global warning coming for 30 years and should have prevented this from happening.

no we quite literally do, if we want global warming to not kill our asses faster than our lack of intelligence in a fleeting moment where it mattered, we absolutely do need to change our behaviors.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I never knew that was a thing - crazy.

I don't understand why anyone would think taking a motorcycle ride through 130F temps is a good idea.

[–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't even sound like a fun idea!
But I hate the heat.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's a terrible idea, having been a biker in socal. You'd think ventilated fabric, even a regular t-shirt with air moving on you from your forward motion would cool you..

It doesn't. You're actually adding heat (thermal energy) to your body faster than it can be removed by your sweat glands, the glands cannot output water fast enough to match the thermal energy being injected into you as the hot air passes over your body. You actually need to insulate yourself with a wind blocking jacket, at which point fuck that, stop riding, and wait a few hours.

It's a very odd sensation, but you understand it almost without explanation if you've tried it... So what were these guys thinking, ignoring their body's alarm bells?

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Once the ambient temperature matches your body's temperature, it's game over for your physiological cooling system.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

Not exactly. If it's not humid, you can still shed heat through sweating. Evaporation is an endothermic process. It's a physics equation involving primarily temperature and humidity, but also radiant heat and wind speed. Measuring the wet bulb globe temperature directly is usually easier.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have to have wet bulb temperatures approaching body temperature for it to actually become lethal - you can still lose heat through perspiration if the humidity is not high enough.

Ambient temperatures of 36-37 C don't immediately mean game over.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As long as you have enough water to keep sweating and you know, survive.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Naturally. If you don't have enough water to sweat then you're in trouble at pretty low temperatures in relative terms.

[–] abcd@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I heard it’s not even the core temperature but actually pretty low. When I remember correctly it’s around 34C. That’s a Temperature even we in Europe will experience in summer regularly.

AFAIK the second best thing to do when it’s really hot and you’re on a motorcycle is: Make your underwear wet with water and put on your outer layer as insulation. The water will evaporate through your clothes and prevent the body from creating too much sweat which will cause dehydration. Repeat when you get dry.

The best thing ist to not ride a motorcycle for long periods of time under these conditions. I would maybe commute for up to an hour but never ever go touring when the temperatures reach 40C. It’s just too damn hot and you need more water then petrol

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

High humidity can screw your cooling too, even at lower temperatures.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

That's not true, otherwise Phoenix would be unlivable. It's close, but not quite there yet.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists...

The shorter word for motorcyclists is "bikers." "Cyclists" is a term for people that actually pedal.

[–] don@lemm.ee 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive.”

ffs gizmodo, five out of the six survived. That a bit over 83% as a survival rate.

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

It's because "all but one survived" would melt their readers' brains

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

You're right about the wording, but I'd say that a four out of five survival rate when it comes to a group of motorcyclists and heat death isn't really great odds.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

My friends and I don't consider a ride successful unless at least all six of us die

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Sounds like the beginning of a riddle.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Same as Russian roulette...

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

why are people riding motorcycles into death valley? Aren't you like, advised to not even step out of your car, or like, stop moving. I'm pretty sure there are recommendations on riding motorcycles out there also.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd consider it a form of elaborate suicide pact.

yeah no that seems like a fair assessment to me.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, why would you do sports in death valley?

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

It’s quite a nice place for that sort of thing … in the spring when the highs are 80 or maybe 90 at the very worst…

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

and climate change deniers are probably still at it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

No probably about it.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh no, what a tragedy, are they saying golfers in the Death Valley have to travel by car like plebs?!

It's only to get to their private jets in an airfield immediately next to it, but the humanity!!


(Not the Devils Golf Course, thats just named that, the actual thing is in the lowermost point, in 'Furnace creek')

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Death Valley is not going to be the only place where this is an issue. It could even be an issue where you live at the height of summer.

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