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Except you know, that one thing

Or that other thing

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[–] jvw@lemmy.blahaj.zone 123 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Kids in cages, kids taken from parents and put up for adoption

Outing of all undercover ops in Russia (who were then jailed or murdered)

Installing the most corrupt supreme court justice since the 19th century

Attempted violent overthrow of the government

Ivermectin, "inject a little bleach..."

And that's just off the top of my head without coffee

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

You need some covfefe, because you forgot the most important one:

  • attempted dismantlement of the post-ww2 world order at the explicit cost of America and her western allies (broadly construed to include Japan, Australia, Korea, NZ, etc.), for the explicit benefit of Russian hegemony under Putin, with the knock-on effect of empowering most significantly our greatest geopolitical rival, China, which hopes to promulgate its fascist hellscape throughout Asia.
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (10 children)

And how about packing the courts with right wing nutjobs? Roe vs Wade's demise is far from the only consequence there

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[–] jvw@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago

Absolutely. Seems like a good thread to turn into a handy bookmarkable catalog of anti memory-hole of those nightmare years

[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For people on grad it's a feature

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

It literally is. When I used argue with them about Donald intentionally destabilizing the US so China could gain influence they would drop everything and write long-ass comments praising the idea.

I guess they love the economic system of "state capitalism with generating hundreds of billionaire characteristics." They'll certainly excuse any amount of Uyghur genocide for it.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

They decided to separate the children with full knowledge that they did not have the resources to track them. They straight up lost children. How many of those missing children were trafficked?

The absolute nerve that the Qanons were ever screeching about pedophile rings. Their guy is the pedophile ring.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago

...kids taken from parents and put up for adoption

Literal kidnapping and trafficking of children.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ivermectin

Seeing my old college professor suggest that shit was wild. I remember telling the school his ass needed a sabbatical. They later ended up paying him a large settlement after students chased him off campus with baseball bats.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

With all the bullshit trump did it's hard to keep up with it all. I must have missed this one. What was Ivermectin?

[–] asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ivermectin is an anti-parasite drug used in treating heartworm. It was one of the early conspiracy cures for covid, despite the fact viruses are notoriously different from parasitic roundworm. There was also a constrained supply of the drug used for human treatments, so the qanon types were buying the version of the treatment meant or horses.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They'd rather go through all that, rather than just wear a mask and get vaccinated???

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Vaccines will make your testicles grow spikes and drop off, like chestnuts. Haven't you heard? Apple-flavored horse paste is not only good for you, it also tastes just swell!

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

A horse dewormer people were taking for killing covid infections.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago

The police response to the BLM protests

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like Thomas is the most corrupt, but the others aren't much better.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Thomas is brazenly and nakedly corrupt. Alito is more of a seditious traitor. Barrett is a theocrat. Boofer owed tens of thousands that someone paid off.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah everything looks bad when you notice it

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 78 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump is a lot like Reagan in that a lot of his policy choices are time bombs. In forty years, someone's going to be wondering "Jesus, why is this shit so dysfunctional? Oh, it's ~~Reagan~~ Trump. Of course it's ~~Reagan~~ Trump, it's always ~~Reagan~~ Trump."

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some of it will not even take that long. Like the tax breaks trump gave out that expired during Biden’s term. I see that cited a lot about why Biden bad.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Only tax breaks for regular people expired, the corporate handouts were good indefinitely.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

It would take decades to undo all the damage from Trump’s tenure, some of it may even be irreversible. It’s mind-boggling that anybody who lived through four years of that could want to vote for four more years.

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nothing particularly bad happened, to them

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 4 months ago

It's telling that the big thing the guy cared about in terms of each candidate's impact was the NordStream pipeline sabotage.

(Not that I think Biden was behind the pipeline exploding necessarily, just that it's an odd thing to pick out as a big impact of Biden's term in office.)

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What, you don't remember Marx dropping that line in one of his letters to Engels?

I think he titled it, "Fuck You, Got Mine."

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Damage isn't obvious. A lot of it is:

  • Declining/damaged trust from allies and such.

  • Financial decisions that don't cause massive disruption but start to move things in the opposite direction from progress and toward greater wealth inequality.

  • General degradation of norms and values that our countries and allies rely on

  • Don't get me started on national security issues with how easy it was to get in Trumps ear by sitting at mar a Lago, spending a bunch of $ at his properties, meetings where translator notes were destroyed, stolen documents...

  • all the intelligence assets/ways&means burned because of the document handling and other stuff

All of this together makes it a lot easier for enemies to manipulate the populace and eventually cause some large scale disruption which would be probably under the opposing party (democrats) to continue to encourage trumpism and the politics that got us there.

Lastly, if you didn't suffer from anything negative from Trumps presidency, you're lucky or ignorant. Chances are it's affecting you in ways you either don't know/understand or don't care about. Essentially all trump did for the white working man is give them a warm fuzzy feeling inside

[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was once of those federal employees impacted by the government shutdown that lasted almost two months. I illegally collected unemployment just to make sure I had for to eat. All because of a stupid fucking border wall that never even got built. I paid the unemployment back and faced no repercussions but the fact that I had to break the law because of his stupid ego is insane. I have a kid now I don't know what I'll do.

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[–] nolannice@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Sometimes I think my memory is bad and getting worse, but hey at least I can remember an attempted coup 3.5 years ago

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I can’t remember anything bad that happened in 2020.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 months ago

"No we are definitely real communists not right wing trolls"

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

But don't you see, you literally cannot tell the difference. Muh both sides. The Repubs do a bunch of horrible shit, yes. But if you look at the Dems, well, the Repubs are also doing a lot of horrible shit while the Dems have control of no branches other than the executive. That's the Dem's fault. Therefore we must conclude that muh both sides.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't call Project 2025 "more standard American bullshit". It's a plan for how to turn America into a fully fascist country within one presidential term.

The US is already a fully fascist country.

Ahh, leftism-doomerism. No one quite so right wing.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Oh, cool! I’m gonna vote for Kamala Harris then; if we’re already fascist then she can’t do any harm, and I might get some of my student loans forgiven that way.”

NO NO NO NOT LIKE THAT

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

"Don't you understand? You'd be voting for a fascist! And that makes YOU a fascist! You gotta vote third party bro, trust me bro, protest votes totally work bro, and Harris is gonna win anyway I guarantee it, just ignore the victory margins in 2016 and 2020"

Or better yet: "We should let Trump win to stick it to the DNC for not picking someone far enough left. Just ignore the fact that if Trump wins they'll probably pick someone further right next election season anyway. Also I'm sure all those trans people whose lives are now in danger from Project 2025 sleep safer knowing that the blood of those Palestinians that Israel is still killing because Trump is still funneling them weapons isn't on my hands, because I didn't vote for genocide. I'm a great ally."

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[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

How is this not downvoted into oblivion - I know it's a link to that instance, but still.

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