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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 224 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If all of the people who didn't vote because "It would never make a difference" actually voted, we could have had a constitutional amendment by now removing the electoral college.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 74 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Seriously

I love how the takeaway from this is “yeah fuck politics amirite” and not “dude it is THERE FOR THE TAKING for anyone who is inspiring enough to actually get people voting for them”*

(*and who feels like overcoming the significant hurdles of the media and the DNC cooperating to do their best to tank their campaign which they will definitely do if you are inspiring enough for people to want to vote for you)

THERE FOR THE TAKING I tell you

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait, what was that quiet bit in the middle? /s

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 17 points 3 months ago

democracy may not be available in all areas, ask your local TV conglomerate whether democracy is right for you

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

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[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 139 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] fogstormberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think trump woke a lot of people up. clearly there's still ground to cover but it looks like clear progress in voter turnout

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

Everyone was also at home/working from home/on flex schedules due to covid in 2020. People had time to vote, they had time to research things and take part in political discourse. Everyone always forgets that little historical tidbit.
2024 may hit record low voter turnout as the nazi's ratchet up anti voter laws, removing polling places, and companies keep putting the economic screws on their workers with stagnant pay and forced return-to-office so citizens don't have time to think about the political process.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Can Biden just say fuck it and declare a national holiday? Would that help at all? What about making voting mandatory like we have in Australia? You get a small fine if you don't vote which is usually enough incentive.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It wouldn't really help I think, I think what needs to be done is a change in the verbage and communication, nov 5th should be communicated as the deadline, and early voting should be renamed to just be the voting period.

In my state early voting starts on Oct 17th, meaning you have more than two week for in person voting.

Absentee ballots (mail in) can be cast as soon as you get it, which is typically almost 2 months in advance.

Besides, the people who would get 'national vote day' off as a holiday are the people who probably already have the means to get to a ballot box.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago

Having a national work holiday would do wonders for voter turnout. Most people in states who are required to vote in person can't get the time off to visit a poll booth while they're open.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Another shout out to all the states that have at-home voting through the mail. You get a pamphlet with their stances and websites and you have a long time to get it in. It's an amazing thing.

This is an example for the primaries in August: https://voter.votewa.gov/genericvoterguide.aspx?e=888&c=99#/

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

2020 was the highest US voter turnout in over 100 years (percentage wise), and it was still atrocious. Also worth noting, trump got the second most votes of any presidential nominee in US history, thankfully beat by Biden, but it's not like all of the new voters were purely against trump.

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[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 86 points 3 months ago (9 children)

...okay, you've convinced me. As someone from a beige state that's been presidentially blue for over 30 years (meaning my vote means dick-all due to EC shenanigans), I will continue to show up and vote to make sure it stays that way.

Maybe one day I'll even get an inspiring candidate to vote for.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm assuming you're showing up for more than presidential elections, though, right? Where your vote counts even more?

If you think presidential participation is low, you should see state and local numbers. Or don't, if you're prone to depression.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Unfortunately I live in a nepo congressional district where the mob boss's — I'm sorry, party power broker's — little brother has a seat for life and runs unopposed every primary. And said "power broker" is VERY deeply embedded in the state dem machine (and much of the business dealings in and out of the public view), to the point where court action was needed to stop the ballot placement fuckery.

It's also next to impossible to dig up information on county commissioners, township committee, and school board candidates. "John Doe was born in neighboring Othertown but has lived and worked in Hometown for decades. He has three children in the local school system with his wife Jane. 'I care very deeply about policy and I think things should be good, not bad.' John likes to go for long walks in the local park when he's not hang gliding at his mountain vacation house."

Unfortunately techniques like this work, as (at least) one of the Moms Against Liberty types got voted onto the school board last term. The term before that, they were all mask-off for the standard conservative Covid crap and lost... but not by much. They scrubbed their online presence to be as generic as possible... and the only POC on the board lost her seat.

And yes, I am prone to depression.

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[–] ReynT1me@lemmy.one 62 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Since I moved from a red state to Colorado it's been mind blowing how painless and accessible it is to vote in this state.

Before every election all registered voters automatically get a mail-in ballot, as well as a detailed book explaining every issue & candidate on the ballot with sample arguments for & against. You can then either mail the ballot or drop it off in very convenient drop boxes that are usually less than 10 min from your place. In some ways it's difficult to not have at least some idea of the political landscape for most voters.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Since I moved from a red state to Colorado it’s been mind blowing how painless and accessible it is to vote in this state.

I think that is something we need to stress here: A lot of people in America don't vote not because they are apathetic but because, well, they often don't have access because they have to work and can't get time off, and it doesn't help that certain states cut and limit the amount of voting places to prevent people from voting.

I remember seeing the images from Georgia in 2020 where there were queues around the block, hell, some fucking states have laws preventing people from offering water for people waiting in line, knowing that people will be waiting in line for a long time. And the fact the places where those polling stations tend to be set up in ways to stop certain demographics from voting is another thing. There's laws there to prevent students from voting in some states, there's laws making it hard to vote by mail, you fucking name it.

Meanwhile in the UK, I just had to fill in a PDF form and send it to my local valuation office and I could get a postal vote. No restrictions on who can do this, you can just apply.

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[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Colorado has so many props on the ballot as well since I believe anything affecting taxes has to be voted on that way. I really like the direct democracy.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 57 points 3 months ago (4 children)

it really says all it needs to that dems are trying to get MORE people to vote, and GOP are trying to PREVENT as many people as possible from voting

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Lets all remember that time one of the largest pop stars in the world gave a message to her fans on stage to remember to vote, and was instantly targeted by the GOP for being anti-american, and they started a beef with her that would drive thousands of people against the right.

How does anyone not see it and get what's happening? I feel like you would have to have eaten ALL the crazy pills for this to make sense.

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[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I never knew Hillary won the popular vote by so much. Remind me, why the fuck does the electoral college exist???

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To give a disproportionate amount of voting power to rural areas.

People look at a map and go "Oh my god look how much square footage is red" and can't comprehend the population density of large cities, so feel they are under represented.

Same principle as two Senators per state, and Congressmen are supposed to balance that out by representing population, until the artificial cap on number of Congressman.

Between that, and the insane gerrymandering, Red rural votes are just weighed higher than Blue urban votes.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

So that rich land owners have more power.

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[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Leaving the office empty for a term is the only democratic outcome.

[–] Seraph@fedia.io 24 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Australia has mandatory voting. Why not the US?

[–] mecfs@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

Lmao the same people suppressing voting rights wont agree to that

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Just wondering, how is mandatory voting enforced? I assume vote cops don't show up at your door.... What if you turn in a ballot with no choice marked?

[–] MusketeerX@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

You receive a penalty notice in the mail and have to pay a fine. Similar to a traffic infringement or parking fine.

All elections are held on a weekend and voting booths are everywhere, to make it a little easier for everyone to vote.

You can choose to not mark the ballot, no one would know. As long as you turn up to a booth and get your name marked off, then you are considered to have voted.

As a result, voter turnout is generally over 90%.

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ideally an electoral system should have the "none of the above" option. If it gets the majority the elections are repeated with new candidates, and previous ones are disqualified for a number of years.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’d rather have ranked choice voting. And get rid of the stupid electoral college.

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[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

What if "didn't vote" counted as "voted against both options, please try again with less shitty candidates."?

I think we'd have a better world

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hot take: voter suppression would be far more widespread, as it would stalemate the current "interim" government into power. Permanently. The current system, for all its flaws, doesn't have that weakness.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

What if "didn't vote" counted as "voted for both options, they're equally wonderful and we'd be happy either way"?

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 17 points 3 months ago

I'd love to see something like ballot included in tax returns (for folks who don't otherwise request a ballot). Near-mandatory voting, with abstaining being allowed.

[–] Teodomo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'm not an American so I'm not sure I understand. Wikipedia says voter turnout in 2016 was 59.2% of the voting-eligible population. Even if we count is a percentage of the voting-age population (i.e. including people with felonies or without citizenship or barred from voting for other reasons) it's still 54.8% voter turnout.

But that bar at the top of the graph makes it look like only around 15% voted.

Can someone explain?

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Does the top graph not just show that all the gray states had people that did not vote be the largest percentage.

So if for example 30% voted for Biden and 31% for Trump, you still have 39% that did not vote thus making the non voter 'candidate' win.

In this case the voter turnout is 61% yet the non voters represent the biggest share.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's cause by FPTP. If the largest share of voters in a given state were people that didn't vote, all the electoral college votes should go to "did not vote." That doesn't happen IRL because they just ignore low voter turnout.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

Clearly the office of President should be left vacant.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

An interesting idea, unless the majority of people in your state voted you get no electors to send. Force states to drive participation

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[–] LordJer@beehaw.org 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I live in deep red Utah. A lot of people I know do not vote because they do not see the point. These people, who stem from all political spectrums, believe “republicans will always have control over state and local political offices.”

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We should count non-voting eligible voters like this, and if not voting wins in your state you don't get any delegates for the electoral college.

Then just scrap the "first past the post" system and whoever gets the most delegates wins. In 2016 it would be Clinton with 51 vs. Trump's 16.

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