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The Left In The Us Is Really Diverse

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 74 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Come on Hasan definitely doesn't belong on that list, the pedo, zionist and grifter liberals hate his guts and for that reason alone he's cool

[–] miz@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"rich" would have to be way more extreme (be more in control of the means of production) to get on the level of "pedo" and "zionist". like owning Twitch, not when they could ban you at any moment. sure he has enough social capital to survive transition to another platform but his earnings would surely take a significant hit

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[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah Hasan doesn't deserve to be grouped in with these guys. He agrees with hexbear on like 90% of issues.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] somename@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

He is definitely not a Kamala supporter lol. He's been basically talking non-stop about how terrible her actions and policies are shaping up.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep, Hasan is on the right side at least 90% of the time, and he's been an absolute force for radicalizing teens and young adults. His presense is important and in no way in the same ballpark as the Fed Pedo Chaser or Mr. Tortellini, Professional Zionist.

Hasan definitely isn't as radical (at least not vocally) as he could be, but he's still more useful than not, to the point I would say this is undue sectarianism.

[–] operacion_ogro@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Hexbears when you take any shot at their parasocial friendships with matt or hasan-ok-dude :

wall-talk

[–] somename@hexbear.net 45 points 3 months ago

Tbh this is a bait post. Regardless of your opinon on Hasan, he's clearly not in the same league as the CP advocates and people who want to glass Palestine.

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[–] somename@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago

Socialism is when no-house understander

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you can name anyone other than Walter white you need to log off.

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[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

Couldn’t be me kitty-birthday-sad

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[–] dead@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The top row is all MAGA communist guy and the bottom row has 3 obsessive debaters and Hasan?

atlantic-council Even the hexbear emotes provide us with photographic evidence that Hasan is not like the others. They collaborate with each other but Hasan has no relation to them.

Hasan used to stream with Destiny back in 2019. They had collaboration streams with Hasan, Destiny, and Andy Milonakis of the Andy Milonakis show on MTV. This was before Hasan was a big streamer and before he quit TYT, I believe. Destiny hadn't been banned from twitch yet. In 2019, Destiny used to be a game streamer and he presented himself as a centrist type guy who was interested in learning about leftist politics. The implication of the co-streams was that Hasan was going to teach Destiny about leftism. I remember seeing video of the 3 of them and Hasan trying to explain Marxism to Destiny. Not long after, Destiny did a full back stab and accused Hasan of calling his black friends the nword in private. Hasan responds by calling Destiny a "weasley little liar" and that's where this emote comes from. hasan-smash Destiny has been making up lies and drama about Hasan since 2019.

Vaush was banned from twitch in 2018 or 2019. The reason that he was banned from twitch was that he had said that the US military should invade Israel to protect Palestinians. He might have also said the US should nuke Israel, I'm not 100% sure on my memory. It's weird that Vaush thought that the US foreign policy would protect Palestinians but also surprising that Vaush claims to support Palestine. Since Vaush was banned from twitch so early, Hasan never really interacted much. Though, Hasan has always distanced himself from Vaush, particularly because Vaush has such fervent support for American foreign policy and for the Democratic party.

Keffals is a friend of Vaush. Hasan has intentionally avoided talking to or about Keffals for years. I think he knew something was weird about her politics. He reluctantly talked about her in 2022 (I think) when Keffals was being harassed by k*wifarms. After that, Keffals has done a "why I left the left" bit and claimed that Marxism is a cult, among other things.

Hinkle is probably a fed. There are chat logs in Hasan's twitch chat which shows him being supportive of Hasan. This was before Hinkle made the MAGA communism turn and before he appeared on Tucker Carlson.

On this list of people, Hasan is the only one who has had consistent analysis. Everyone else there is a flip flopper. The accusation that Hasan is liberal or a grifter is completely baseless. A grifter is someone who promotes opinions that they don't believe for money. He has been saying that same things for like 10 years now, so that would indicate that he's not doing it for the money because he was doing it before it was making money. Hasan also continued to do news coverage in support of Palestine after October 7 and raised over a million dollars for Gaza aid, which caused his average audience to shrink by 1/3 in size, which indicates that he's consistent on his views even when it loses money. Also he's never promised or claimed to be a leader of Leftism, he's just a guy who reports the news and tells his audience to form unions and do their own political actions, such as the campus encampments in California which he attended himself and interviewed people from the encampments more than once. Also Hasan doesn't invest in wealth or hire employees because he doesn't want to be called a capitalist. His merch is union made. His youtube editors get all of the youtube revenue. He doesn't even do TTS donations on twitch anymore. He gets payed by amazon for his news reporting and amazon forces him to show ads or optionally you can pay $6 to not see the ads. Or you can just block the ads and he used to say that on stream but now the amazon contracts say that he can't say that. Hasan also has direct contact with journalists from news websites and regularly has them interviewed on stream. Hasan is also friends with all of hexbears favorites: Boyboy and Ididathing, Felix and Will from chapo, Brace from trueanon, Second thought and Yugopnik from The Deprogram, etc. He's consistent with his analysis, he has connections to journalists, and he doesn't invest the money he's payed into capital. What exactly is the grift? He promotes Marxist analysis, he reports the news, and he gets payed for showing ads. If you expected Hasan to be Lenin, then you're the fool. Hasan is just a news reporter who also support Marxism and that's not a grift or liberalism.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hasan fan, didn’t read

He endorses Kamala and is pro-Ukrainian nazis

[–] dead@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

That's not true. He hasn't endorsed Kamala. Before Biden dropped out he was doing Kamala memes but that is similar to the "Dark Brandon". Even Hexbear was doing Dark Brandon and coconut memes before democrats co-opted them and made them "in support" of the Democrats instead of against. Some of his videos show him analyzing Kamala's chance to win but that doesn't mean he supports the outcome. He also does analysis of republicans chance to win and makes suggestions for how they could be more likely win. That doesn't mean that he supports Kamala or Republicans. He has said that he won't support Kamala because of her support of Israel and because of her right wing border policy.

He also doesn't support the Ukraine nazis. He's done coverage of the Azov battalion plenty of times. He might lean into support Ukraine, but not in the NATO guy way. Hasan is anti-NATO. He also did coverage about how Russia definitely didn't blow the Nordstrom pipeline. I don't think he really supports either side but he tries to do a framing of like Ukraine being the smaller country. There's lots of liberals who also call Hasan a Russia supporter. You call him a Ukraine supporter. So people interpret his analysis in both ways and I think it doesn't really matter. If his analysis is bad on this one thing, nobody is perfect. You or I don't have to agree with him on every single thing.

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[–] aaro@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

let me slice out a highlight here:

Hasan also continued to do news coverage in support of Palestine after October 7 and raised over a million dollars for Gaza aid, which caused his average audience to shrink by 1/3 in size

I don't watch Hasan, I don't give a fuck what he's up to, one million dollars, straight to Palestine.

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[–] operacion_ogro@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

leftist-meme.txt

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume the joke is partially that Hasan gets tons of undue hate despite being pretty much correct on most issues because he happened to be the one who got famous.

The few issues he's "wrong" on (as wrong as non consequential opinions can be...) I believe are meant to temper further insanity from coming his way.

For example, saying Ukraine has a right to defend itself and people should be angry, etc. I'm of a mixed mind on because, no, it really should not exist. But it does exist, so, how should I feel when its borders are challenged? I feel like I've felt for over two years.... just surrender that land to Russia. It's not even a thought in my mind for half a second especially when the people there were (I dunno about now) wanting to get away from Ukraine anyway.

I dunno it just feels like if Canada invaded Idaho and proclaimed it as independent and the people who lived there wanted to be Canadian... like wtf? Yeah, just let that happen.

He still sticks to the "Ukraine's fight is righteous" argument though and refuses to hear anyone say otherwise lumping them under "If you disagree then you must think Russia is in the right." No, I think both governments kinda suck shit. I'm just saying the easiest and best solution, once you remove the frankly moronic obsession with a nation's borders (a ~30 year old nation btw even worse example), is to look at the population's wishes and just go with that. Bam. Done. The only Ukrainians obsessed with fighting forever are the far right wing Nazi types. I just don't get calling their fight righteous or justified unless you are under a delusion that life under Putin is significantly worse than under right wing Ukrainian leaders (seems unlikely) and you're discounting the fact that people there wanted to join Ukraine. I think he says it for political expediency because liberals literally shit their britches at this stuff, but he's still maintaining it even now when the frothing libs are also accepting the inevitable (or getting there). Kinda frustrating but whatever. He does acknowledge them handing over the territory is the most likely end result and has maintained that for quite a while, so, we agree on the end result at least. We just disagree that anyone has a legitimate reason to be fighting in the first place.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I dunno it just feels like if Canada invaded Idaho and proclaimed it as independent and the people who lived there wanted to be Canadian... like wtf? Yeah, just let that happen.

I love that concept, tho...

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[–] Jelamzer@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago

Vaush and Destiny should be Fascist too

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

They all eat at mcdonalds, the communist restaurant.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We can technically add "grifter" as a descriptor to all of them, 2-holes-haz deserves "manchild" as well. Bit sickening to learn hinkle beat his wife.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

thrilled to not have any idea who these people are

Death to America

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Wake me up when any of these z class celebrities fund a mutual aid project.

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