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Like, how do the Picards get to keep their bigass vineyard? Do they supply the public with free terrible wine in exchange for this massive piece of land? Can anyone walk around there? Could they pick some grapes for themselves? Who is tending this vineyard, surely not just his weird brother, and especially so, who's tending it after they die in generations? How did Sisko'a dad get the restaurant property? Sure there's technically limitless space cause you can go live on some colony, but those always seem to be weird semi agrarian weirdos or a single town with a staircase that leads no where in the center. I demand to know how the federation does real estate!

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How did Sisko'a dad get the restaurant property?

My guess is that the state, maybe at the level of the city of New Orleans, owns the land and leases it out to business-people for productive use, judging on a case by case basis what best serves the community. A Creole restaurant run by a master chef is a good business to have in New Orleans as it helps preserve the local culture and gives people a good place to eat. And I'm using the term "business," but in a future without money, businesses would not be run for profit, but because they serve a perceived greater good.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I could see that as well. But like...what about housing and stuff?

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Maybe a mixture of private and public housing, with a constitutional housing guarantee?

[–] someone@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I've always assumed that there's an element of cultural-preservation at work. Maybe the Picard vineyards are the equivalent of a British "listed building" or Canadian "national historic site". Something that someone can be the steward of, but not have total control over so as to maintain the cultural legacy.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Something that someone can be the steward of

Patrick Steward. :kelly:

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

That explains some

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

It kind of is? In-universe, the Chateau Picard served as an underground base/weapons depot for the French resistance during WWII, so it's something they might have memorialized.

[–] context@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Do they supply the public with free terrible wine in exchange for this massive piece of land?

mais oui! in a future with replicators that can just produce the best wine ever on command, authenticity will become most desirable. the picards spike their wines with industrially produced ethanol and mix it with cane sugar, just as their ancestors did.

and sisko's dad unscrews a bottle in new orleans for some customers. "stardate 4280, a terrible vintage!" he says and smiles as he pours out two glasses.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My headcannon for a while has been that the vineyard Bart Simpson had to live at in that early Simpsons episode was chateau Picard

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fuck you just spiked this into my head cannon and I cant get it out now.

also the episode where picard went home was aired 6 months after crepes of wrath which is kinda funny

[–] D61@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Divide the land into allotments that get build up and places that are to be preserved as is?

Prioritize necessities for the first allotments, after that, people make a use case/business proposal/"how will this benefit the community" before a committee or your townsfolk and they get to decide if you get your allotment? Lower threshold for success on low population density worlds, higher threshold in high density worlds?

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

communal land management and ownership is our collective past and our brightest future. it is the very antithesis of dispossession and enclosure. it is the biggest threat to capitalism and the neoliberal order. this is why it was and is still ruthlessly targeted by capitalists, because it represents a real, working alternative. removing land as a commodity from the networks of global capital is key to another world.

it is still around in some tucked away places and functions as the best tool of resistance to resource exploitation and environmental destruction, poverty etc, allowing room for sustainable development and equity. it can have different mechanisms, like trusts with elected boards and multi-year leases (lifetime, non transferable, 99 year, etc) for land stewards submitting routine conservation plans allowing individual households and groups to tend their own spaces but also contribute to the maintenance of shared resources (rivers, wells, forests, roads, other infrastructure) and distribution of wealth associated with captured surplus wind, solar, tidal energy while engaging in general land stewardship practices democratically selected. no more fragmented little settler kingdoms, pretending to be self contained, waiting for manorialism to gobble up the small and struggling into bloated estates where only the Right Kind of People may enjoy and recreate. it's working people, coming together, and sharing in the successes and failures of their neighbors and recognizing the shared resources they all depend on.

in a world that was trying to actually survive climate change and provide healthy food to all its inhabitants as a universal human right, communal land ownership and management would be the foundation of an equitable exchange of development resources and technology transfer: the people on the land maintain it and provision portable energy, clean water, food, textiles, building materials for those downstream in exchange for access to resources not present, manufactured materials, expertise, and other resources available through the broader, interconnected world.

trusts and boards can be configured many different ways, with all residents electing the board and all residents being required to vote on certain issues yearly while the board just handles organizational minutae. communities living in close relationship with the natural resources they depend on can have so many configurations, there isn't a one-size-fits-all arrangement and it takes time and energy to establish something site specific, democratic, equitable, and lasting. it can start small with an identified need ("we need fiber internet or reliable electricity, let's pool our resources and start a co-op") and then grow to recognize community resources that can be sustainably managed to meet those needs.

it absolutely forms when the broader society doesn't adopt rules and laws that actively undermine it or allow "investors" to send in their agents to monkeywrench it with disturbing precision. basically, it persists in places where capitalists currently can't pencil out a big enough ROI and/or the state doesn't allow remote/absentee ownership and landlordism.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Good ass post. Of course if you're on the wrong side of a renegotiated boarder after a war with cardassia you're still fucked according to starfleet and I'm pretty sure I can cite episodes to dig some holes in this, it is how I hope things go down and how I generally will choose to believe is how trek works