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[–] edge@hexbear.net 74 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

Didn’t watch the video but I read his response comment and it basically boils down to “wah, devs will have to spend money and effort to make the game playable after shutdown”.

Yeah, because we fucking paid for it.

But it wouldn’t even take that much effort, despite what he says. They already have a server executable. They literally could just give us the exact binar(y/ies) that’s running on their servers (plus database schema I guess) and let us figure it out from there.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And his “solution” is to make it clear before purchase that you’re only buying a license and it can be revoked or made useless at any point. Except companies can argue they already do that. It’s right there in the EULA, you did read it, right? You were supposed to. If not, it’s your fault you thought you were actually buying something.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Aside from that it completely ignores that half the point is to preserve the games. When a company shuts down a (live service) game’s server, it’s dead. No one can ever play that game again. But people liked that game and want to keep playing it. They saw entertainment and artistic value in it and that value has been destroyed (well, locked away). It’s like the movies Warner Bros Discovery shitcanned despite pretty much being complete.

You can argue against the artistic value of games (and the WBD “capeshit” movies that were scrapped) and I know a lot of people here would. But the fact is some people see artistic value in it, even a lot of people, therefore it is an art.

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[–] companero@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I really don't get that guy's deal. He goes by "Pirate Software" but his world view seems entirely opposed to piracy and even software ownership.

I remember him bragging about baking Steam achievements deep into his game so it couldn't be pirated, or something like that.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He was a Nepo hire at blizzard who then failed his way upwards to work cybersec where he oversaw the period with the largest amount of cybersec scandals. He then quit his job in order to spend 6 years to develop a half-assed earthbound clone that's still not finished. At some point he started streaming where he would tell made-up stories about how he didn't suck at his at blizzard.

Or so I'm told.

[–] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Let's not pretend that Blizzard doesn't treat their workers like shit or that Blizzard has competent management. We have proof that they are run horribly and allow abuse to run rampant.

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[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago

I remember him bragging about baking Steam achievements deep into his game so it couldn't be pirated, or something like that.

I remember someone on r/gamedev bragging about doing that, only to get immediately dunked on by people pointing out that making a game dependent on steam achievements not bugging out is dumb and risky and that the literal exact same program used to bypass steam DRM in the first place can also emulate its achievement API if you just check a box asking it to do that while applying the crack.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

he's the john oliver of internet hacker libs. he zeroes in on one kinda relevant issue but then never connects it to anything else and just repeats the default "common sense" knowledge.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

At one point he made a video complaining about muh politics in his community and both sides-ing Israel/Palestine. Complete lib cope.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

People got to like him because he had some funny clips going around in meme channels but really he's just a nepo baby with skin in the game on this issue who refuses to look outside of the box of the mindset that gives him.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Live services" are among the most disgustingly exploitative and art-destroying (the game vanishes the moment they feel like it) concepts that corpos have come up with in recent years, and like so many of their most recent "innovations" they weren't asked for, weren't wanted, and yet here they are anyway.

[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

lmao I love how even if I was interested in playing Destiny 2 for the story content, I literally cannot as chunks of it have been removed from the game and are inaccessible thanks to the Live Service treadmill. Including DLC people paid separately for, apparently!

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait this was his gripe? What a fucking loser

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He and his Reddit fanboys believe that the campaign is meant to force companies to host servers forever, and it will apply retroactively to every game to exist, and every publisher will have to give the games away for free forever, and Ross Scott will come and take your toothbrush. Or, he doesn't believe this and is just trolling and slandering.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and it will apply retroactively to every game to exist

party-sicko

No but in all seriousness if some sort of like, forced art preservation measure were to apply to live service games that have already shut down I would be behind that lmao. I want a full release of all of Final Fantasy Record Keeper's content. Or at least for the means for fans to put that together themselves to be released. Idk, I'm not expert. But I know I'm pro art preservation.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

This despite the fact that over every single video he was proposing this in, Ross was explicitly clear that this isn't forcing server owners to do anything other than make it possible for other people to host servers on their own dime. Something currently impossible for most live service games

[–] rafflesia@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Man I keep seeing clips of this guy around and was immediately put off by his I'm-so-smart-and-cool affectation straight out of the bowels of an undergrad compsci program so I'm glad he's also tangibly a loser nepo baby liberal grindset failson too. And worse, a streamer.

[–] NedIsakoff@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

His dumb videos keep showing up on youtube despite clicking "don't show this channel" or w/e.

All his little shorts are just like variations of "Chat do you wanna know why I left blizzard? Chat... Do you wanna know why I left Blizzard? I left Blizzard because it sucked dude."

like why do they all have millions of views

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

His dumb videos keep showing up on youtube despite clicking "don't show this channel" or w/e.

He pretty open about how he uses his knowledge of how algorithms work to manipulate the YouTube algorithm so that his short form content gets more views.

He even did a short on it!

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[–] rafflesia@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

and they all somehow require an mspaint visual guide like he's john madden

[–] Waldoz53@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

how does he have 2 million subscribers?? what the fuck

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

God yesss I get so irritated whenever I see him pop up and this articulates it perfectly.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

What a goober.

Abolish IP, publicly fund game development.

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Might as well link stopkillinggames.com.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

It's bullshit anyway. Live service games existed before this practice.

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

thank god im not the only one who hates this fucking nepo baby god i hate how much the algorithm has been pushing him

[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

I'm glad everyone here hates him too lol. Hes so fucking boring on twitch; I thought i might like him initially just cause I'm also a programmer but I noped out within like 5 minutes of his stream. I also get fucking bombed with his tiktoks all the time cause he keeps making new accounts, which i constantly have to go and block.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Tangent: the current discourse focuses on leaving the game in a playable state, but we still lose a lot in the form of timed events that are gone forever when the event ends and sometimes “updates” that completely ruin the game, like Overwatch 2.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Oh yeah completely agreed. Event limited content sucks ass. Been beating that drum for a long time.

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