Well, good, it shows CNN is being fair and not solely checking Trump's lies.
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What happened to CNN being "fake news"? CNN is probably lying here too, right? Odd that this would be in a conservative community, but it is just too tempting not to post because of confirmation bias, I suppose.
This post just shows how oblivious most propagandists are to cognitive dissonance.
No, even the shitty, biased to dems, CNN is calling out their bullshit - when your own turns on you, it's a pretty clear sign.
If you'd read the article, you'd know what they're saying is accurate. They explain each point, and if you bother to stay abreast of the subjects, you'd know what CNN is talking about.
when your own turns on you, it's a pretty clear sign.
24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him
Former Trump officials are among the most vocal opponents of returning him to the White House
Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him
I'm sure you meant something else though.
These fact checking posts have been done by CNN since the age of time and have been fairly even when calling out bad information.
It still doesn't negate the fact that CNN is still on your "fake news" list.
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Didn't you know? It's like the #1 mantra of most conservatives. Eesh. Even I know what you are supposed to hate more than you do. It's not like I haven't heard it enough from the mouths of your political leaders.
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That would be you and your nationalist wanna-be propagandist buddies on this community.
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In the context of your post on a conservative community, yes.
When the leader of the Republican party is a convicted felon and self-proclaimed nationalist, its not a far stretch to say that anyone who is supporting that, is also a nationalist.
Nearly all the posts here are not so much pro-Republican as they are anti-Democrat. Hardly any of these posts are supporting an agenda to make the country better, it's to stir hate and divisiveness.
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Desperate for a mean response, hu? How you managed to pull that out of my comment is bizarre. It's a generic response when someone has nothing else to say.
I am saying that you are openly engaging in nationalist behavior. There are hardly any posts of yours that actually promote Republicans as a valid party with any agenda. Nearly every post is designed to cast Democrats in a bad light. That last bit is actually fine, if you also posted similar news about the GOP.
What you are doing is just telling people what you hate and how you want other people to hate, about things you were told to hate. That isn't patriotic and is the exact playbook of Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter what your party does that makes the country better, it's about blaming others for random shit to get them pissed off.
Conservatism is dead. All that is left of them are blowhards, con artists and very gullible people. If you actually read Project 2025, you will see that it was a collaboration between quite a few conservative interest groups and not just one man or one group. It outlines the plans for a dictatorship in the United States. That is about as anti-Democacy as you can get, and those are your people.
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"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first." - Charles de Gaulle
Charles was a nationalist, so much so that Gaullism was actually a thing. However, it's more important to use his definitions rather than his words, for or against, any specific action or justification. This article explains that very well: https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/11/43935/
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This is what you are describing as good: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_conservatism
Here is a national conservative group that aligns with that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party
By describing nationalism as a good thing, you are ignoring a massive amount of context. Jingoism only refers to hostile foreign policy and war mongering. As a veteran of the second Iraq and Afghanistan wars, I clearly saw the "jingoistic" nature of the Republican party as a whole. Hell, not only am a US veteran, I have nice firearms collection and enough ammunition components to survive two or three apocalypses. That doesn't mean I have to tolerate the nationalist behavior of people that think they are "conservative".
The abhorrent anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric from the GOP should be just one single example of how Christian Nationalism is not "good for all people". The repealing of Roe vs. Wade was not "good for all people". Politicians publicly embracing Q-Anon conspiracy theories is not "good for all people". Supporting and justifying the actions of the Proud Boys is not "good for all people". Creating plans like "Project 2025" to convert the US into a dictatorship is not "good for all people".
Are you calling me unpatriotic because I refuse to accept that Republican politicians are doing all of the above? You, by accepting, tolerating and even supporting any of this is bizarre and is not patriotic. It's disgusting, to be honest.
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You know what? Instead of getting into the weeds here, you keep telling people that nationalism is a good thing. Go right ahead.
You the missed the point entirely, but whatever. My client is out of room to continue this thread properly anyway.
If anything, I am grouping nationalism together. Stop with that trite "moving goalposts" bullshit. There is nothing I am avoiding here. From the start, your flavor of nationalism is how I quoted Gaulle which encompasses your particular flavor of American nationalism.
Nationalism has nothing to do with patriotism and you are conflating the two. American nationalism is just as toxic as any other form of nationalism and it aligns perfectly with the examples of rhetoric I called out. You gave a perfect example of "if you don't agree with this thing, the you are anti-patriotic or anti-american".
Like it or hate it, Christian Nationalism has infected what was once american conservatism and the Republican party. The only thing "conservative" politicians do these days is complain about everyone else that isn't "conservative" or "christian". If you claim to be Republican and disagree with Trumpisim, you then become a RINO.
Fuck that "thank you for your service" bullshit. It's borderline insulting and not a single service member I know would ever say that to another.
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Remember when the jingoistic chodes were saying that anyone who is against the war in Iraq hates America?
Meanwhile, their fellow reactionaries were wearing secessionist merch.
Nobody hates real Americans like conservatives; their whole platform is "identity politics," where the only approved identity is "backwards, ignorant reactionary."
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Man, wouldn't it be neat if Fox would start fact checking Trump...? I mean, obvs. no one is gonna believe CNN when they check Trump, so Fox should do it, since they're believable.
Right?
Wouldn't that be neat?
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So, they fact-checked one claim by Trump. One.
Let's see them do a whole speech.