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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Voting is pointless. Got it. stalin-approval

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They are trying so hard to convince themselves that they are the moral and smart ones for voting in favor of genocide.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The post is by Kevin M. Kruse - a lib historian.

Kevin M. Kruse

Kevin Michael Kruse (born 1972) is an American historian and a professor of history at Princeton University. [...] Kruse self-identifies as a liberal, though he has stated that he is "too amenable to compromise and coalition-building to be an avatar of the far left".

I guess my comment to him that Biden is a génocidaire wasn't "coalition-building" enough so he blocked me. Haha.

[–] JayTwo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

THERE IS NO WAY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN CAN PUSH A POLITICIAN IN ANY DIRECTION IF THAT POLITICIAN KNOWS THOSE PEOPLE ARE GUARANTEED TO VOTE FOR THEM NOMATTER WHAT.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO COMMUNICATE DEMANDS EN BLOC, THREATEN TO WITHHOLD VOTES IF IGNORED, AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT.

[–] JayTwo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

i'm yelling because I've been saying this for about two decades

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Put your big boy pants on". What a time to be alive.

Biden is génocidaire. I will not vote for him.

Yes, that doesn't fit your equation. But then again - people who think as I do and will not be pro-génocidaire are not the problem.

No one has their ideal candidate on the ballot. Put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever you think will move the country in a positive direction.

[–] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't there an option for "write-in candidates" in the US? How does it work? Could everyone vote for somebody else to clearly say they wanted to choose, but didn't like the choices being offered?

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, votes themselves don't get someone elected president. The electoral college does. There are some states that set up laws so their electoral college votes have to match the will of the state's popular vote, but I doubt that includes write ins.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

IIRC the penalty for breaking those laws is a fine. Vv democracy

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We write in "Genocide Joe" and piss off everyone all at once.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Uncommitted Genocide

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Watch those actually get counted as votes for Biden, lmao

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

For the rest of my life I get to troll the libs by telling them that I voted for Genocide Joe while also not voting for Biden. It's a fool proof plan.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democracy is when voting for the guy I like is the only viable option

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's kind of incredible to me that libs respond by saying "Don't let the perfect be enemy of the good on election day," even on a day when Israel has openly assassinated aid workers.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah at this point if anything it seems like if you really want to do a “lesser evil” vote Trump is the choice. It doesn’t seem like there is a greater evil than Biden.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because I opened an account at Bluesky - I occasionally get libs who reply to me with all the crazy lib arguments I haven't experienced directly. A few hours ago somebody there replied to me with "But Trump would nuke Gaza" take. It's scary how Trump Derangement Syndrome has destroyed so many lib brains and souls.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's amazing the way all these silly vote rationales collapse the moment you apply the logic from the other side or even just follow the logic beyond the exact rhetorical cul-de-sac they've convinced themselves is the whole world.

Not voting for a candidate just tells them they won't ever get your vote, so why bother changing.

So what does voting for them unconditionally do?

It... umm... well... ensures they rely our your vote instead of going to the right. Which gives you power... somehow

Power I can use by threatening to withhold my vote?

No, because then they know you're not reliable and can and will ignore you.

So my choice is to vote against my interests and morals and be ignored, while supporting a monster. Or not do that, be ignored, and focus on something else.

Uhm no. I mean yes. But no because something something Trump, something something you can't come to my dinner party

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I think the rationale is something like:

If the democrats/Labour/the SPD etc. (ie. the lib blob party) gets few votes they will be afraid and move right to claw back those votes.

If the lib blob party gets many votes they feel safe to do the good things they really want to do.

If the lib blob party does bad things it is evidence that they didn't get enough votes and you have to vote for them. Anything bad the lib blob does is the voters' fault.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

refusing to vote for rightwingers forces them to appeal to leftist ideas, right? right? hey, unhand me!