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"It's just a fact of life" he says in only country where this happens regularly
I wonder how other countries deal with this fact of life
What makes you think that other countries are real?
Well apparently I'm actually in some sort of Truman Show dome.
And y'all know about the so-called "gun laws" here and how swiftly and easily everything got changed. Seems too good to be true 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Sounds fake, I'm gonna need another mountain of needlessly dead children to find out.
This place is fucking stupid.
No, according to types like Vance, you live in an oppressive hellscape worse than any on the planet.
I ended up on a YouTube video of an officer involved shooting in QLD. The amount of comments gleefully exclaiming “but I thought Aus outlawed all guns?”, “lucky guns are illegal there” and further carry on about all the laws “forcibly” being brought in doing nothing. The amount of comment saying it was retribution for covid lockdown (lmao). This country doesn’t exist except as a political talking point to some of those types.
19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1
Other countries just have less to deal with.
We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!
-Americans probably
Wait til you look at homicide by firearm and realise that the US is more dangerous that some countries in active war.
Fuck JD Vance. That is all.
Trump had multiple agencies on site providing security when some loon climbed up and started shooting. Said security even spotted him but jumped away rather than engage the shooter. Trump's head almost got blown off during what is arguably one of the best case security scenarios.
Do with that what you will, JD.
Trump's head almost got blown off
There but for the grace of Satan..
So he's unequivocally stating that there is nothing he plans on doing to reduce the killing of children. If you support no action, this is the guy you should support.
In the article he calls for bolstering security at schools. Which I always find funny because what if.... And this is a wild idea... But what if there's a shooting at a location other than a school? Not to mention that studies have shown that the presence of armed guards in schools doesn't actually do much to deter shootings.
Why would armed guards have an impact? These kids that plan on shooting up their schools are planning it as a suicide mission. It's a super elaborate suicide by cop, taking out as many of their classmates and tormentors, perceived or otherwise, as possible. Armed guards aren't going to help. Stricter rules on guns and mental fucking health care might, but that would be actually doing something that the vast majority of Americans support, and we can't do that. If we let people think overwhelming support for something gets it then they may get uppity and start demanding other things, like unions and healthcare
Guns have more rights than our children
So he’s unequivocally stating that there is nothing he plans on doing to reduce the killing of children. If you support no action, this is the guy you should support.
Remember, after one of the other school shootings (The fact that I cannot remember which one is itself a telling statement, isn't it?), one of our wonderful elected officials literally stated that they were going to do nothing about it.
If all children of American politicians were legally required to attend public schools and integrate into common classes I think we’d see sweeping implementation of gun laws real quick. Might also force them to improve the quality of public schools.
They might get to that. Only after they:
I will bet the left body part of your choice that all of those things would happen long before they actually did anything to try to improve the quality of the schools. Remember, half of these people are about to vote for a candidate who says the department of education shouldn't exist. They'd destroy the entire system before they'd try to improve it.
Remember the saying "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." The same thing applies here, except it's the public school system.
These guys would gladly have your child shot to preserve their money. How they can live peaceful lives in a country of 330 million people is beyond me.
Simple. They use that money to send their kids to private school where this sort of thing would never happen. Their kids are safe, and they get votes and money from gun owners. That’s all they care about.
Where the privatr school kids are exempt from having to fill out military aptitude tests...unlike public schools
Yeah bruh, i think you ain’t picked up what i put down. But it’s cool, though.
"Would"? They have been doing it for decades.
"No Way to Prevent This," Says Couch Fucker From Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.
I always find this weird because it just completely glosses over the possibilities of A) the restrictions not really doing anything/enough, B) the incredible ease by which someone can just... Go to another state, and C) how absurdly easy it is to purchase firearms in the secondary market.
they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws.
Can he back that up with a reputable source?
Seems he is full of weird shit.
His argument isn't even a valid/honest one. Take Illinois and Chicago specifically. They have stricter gun laws, but when a gun store in Indiana is just a 20-30 minute drive away those restrictions don't do much because of how close by a place with lax laws is.
Security will be automatically better if there are less guns.
Less guns > Security
Whoa there pardner, the only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun.
It's only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
Oh look... another school shooting today.
There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
I have almost 20 years of experience working in the public school system. You know those "fortresses"? They're also for show. Unless you're literally putting every child through a metal detector individually (which would take way too much time), any student can easily sneak a weapon right in their backpack. Schools simply do not have the time or resources to be checking every individual student every time the metal detector goes off, assuming they have one in the first place. Those bulletproof windows don't do shit when the shooter is in the building already. And any adult can socially engineer their way to access by simply claiming to be a parent, vendor, substitute teacher, or whatever. I have been to dozens of districts. The number of "fortresses" that could effectively stop a school shooter is exactly zero.
Give me a public school building anywhere in the country, and I'll show you ten ways that all of your security measures will do exactly nothing. I will bet large sums of money on it.
Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it's just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.
Yeah, I apologize. That came off as more argumentative than I intended. I wholeheartedly agree with you and was just trying to show the absurdity of the suggestion that turning our schools into fortresses would do a damn thing. Not only is it political theater, it's a logistical, financial, and educational impossibility and any attempt at doing so could be easily thwarted in seconds in about 10 different ways.
I mean for the love of God, a shooter could just it in their car across the street and fire into the schoolyard during recess, or when kids are coming to/leaving school. I don't care if the school is built like ADX-Florence. You ain't stopping that. There will always be a bottleneck that can be exploited.
"It's a tragic day, four days into the school year," Gahler said at a news conference.
Fucking grim
JD being a couch-fucking weirdo is a fact of life as well.
Yeah that worked real well in Uvalde while they all stood in the hall for a couple of hours.
Somehow I get the impression his idea of "better security" is the local team of Gravy Seals patrolling campus looking for "trouble". Trouble being minorities, girls, kids who look at them funny. That kind of thing.
Somehow this only happens in this country. That's weird.
Not that you would ever want to live in Mexico but:
Between 2004 and 2024, Mexico has recorded 17 school shootings, while the United States has experienced a staggering 288 school shootings from 2009 to 2018 alone, with the U.S. averaging over 87 incidents annually. The disparity is significant: the U.S. has seen over 57 times the number of school shootings compared to the combined total of the other G7 countries during the same period. In contrast, the school shootings in Mexico have generally resulted in fewer fatalities, with most incidents resulting in zero to two deaths. This stark difference highlights the severity of gun violence in U.S. schools compared to those in Mexico, where school shootings are less frequent and often less deadly. The motivations behind these shootings also vary, with the U.S. incidents often linked to mental health issues, bullying, and a desire for notoriety.
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/for-journalism-how-many-school-d7tCaQlBQ1W9yLVyFxmy_A
Japan had zero. France, Germany, Canada, and Finland each had more than two public mass shootings from 2000-2022, far fewer than the U.S. The U.S. accounts for 76% of public mass shooting incidents and 70% of victim fatalities compared to 35 other economically and politically similar countries, despite making up only 33% of the combined population.