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Dude has like 45k subs on YouTube. Fucking weird.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 175 points 2 months ago (6 children)

You know, I ain't mad.

Dude was crazy. Did something horrible (regardless of the horrible person he directly targeted, and he did harm two other people). Was in supervision and treatment for decades.

Why the fuck should anyone care if he's trying to do something with what's left of his life? If he had gone to jail, I'd say he served his time, and that's the end of it.

He Was in supervised release at first, and hasn't caused any trouble since.

Fuck it, let the man have a life. If we can't give someone the chance to have changed after over thirty years, we're all fucked. I'm not the same man I was at 25. I'm not the same man I was at 40. Mind you, I didn't try to kill a president, but I was deep enough in the PTSD cycle that I'm kind of amazed I didn't try something that insane. Gods know that I did my own dance with self destructive shit, and that included chasing more trauma sometimes.

Give people a chance to be better.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also fuck it he shot Reagan, fuck that guy

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He didn't shoot Reagan for any of the billions of reasons Reagan deserved to be shot for, though... he did it as an attempt to impress Jodie Foster after developing an obsession with her after watching Taxi Driver about fifteen times.

It's important to note that Foster had been twelve when shooting the film, and that even the deranged and mentally ill protagonist of said film abandons any sexual interest on her character the instant he becomes aware of her age, despite her being a child prostitute, and that the character said protagonist was trying to impress by shooting a politician was in her twenties (Foster was barely eighteen when Hinckley shot Reagan).

[–] InternetUser2012 7 points 2 months ago

That's why he didn't go to jail, he spent 30 years in a mental hospital.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If someone had shot Hitler, I wouldn't hate them for it.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

If someone had shot Reagan and then gone on to be a jerk I'd dislike him for being a jerk.

[–] kindenough@kbin.earth 43 points 2 months ago

This is the emotional intelligent and insightful response to the grab your pitchforks mentality. Hats off and a respectful bow.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

In the words of Brutus "Brutal" Howell:

He's paid what he's owed. He's square with the house again, so keep your goddamn hands off him.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

The book 'Determined' makes a great point on how schizophrenia victims have been mistreated throughout history.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 2 months ago

Exactly. Thank you.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

you don't get it, he isn't PURE anymore, he is stained and thus should be shunned from society!

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 75 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been following him on Twitter for awhile.

He sells bad paintings of orange cats that I desperately want to buy.

He keeps booking musical shows and then having to cancel them once the venue discovers who he is.

After Trump was shot at he made a statement condemning political violence

[–] Batbro@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] rushaction@programming.dev 36 points 2 months ago

Is it? Sounds a lot like what I'd hope to hear from someone with his history.

Maybe he learned something. People can change, it's just really frickin hard for every one of us.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Not really. He didn't shoot Reagan for politics. He wanted to impress Jodie Foster

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah dude, kinda sounds like prison actually worked as rehabilitation for this guy.

[–] InternetUser2012 7 points 2 months ago

He didn't go to prison though, he went to a mental hospital for 30 years.

[–] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 50 points 2 months ago (2 children)

John did his time and just wants to make art and music. He lives close by to me and keeps getting booked and then cancelled at local venues. It’s lame.

[–] cactus_head@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago

Are we gonna gloss over the fact that he blamed Cancel Culture.

I don't think this guy knows what Cancel Culture is.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah if think about it he almost saved America, but like another person who I won't name the fucker Regan lived. Wonder what world be like if he had been successful?

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

he almost saved America

It would have been entirely accidentally, though.

He didn't shoot Reagan for being Reagan, he shot him because he wanted to impress Jodie Foster after developing an obsession with her (who'd been twelve when filming and was eighteen at the time of the attempt on Reagan's life) after watching Taxi Driver about fifteen times.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Oh I know why he did it, just saying he could've been seen as a hero instead of a crazy person.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (4 children)

TIL it's possible to attempt murder on a sitting president's life, and later live freely.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

His charges were reduced because his lawyers were able to make the case that he was schizophrenic.

Pleading insanity became much harder in the US after that Hinckley’s case. The ruling was hotly debated.

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

He tried to kill the active President, not for political reasons, but to impress an actress who didn't know he existed.

Mans bat shit. Why on earth would the diagnosis of crazy be challenged?

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

President was a Republican. They all felt threatened and got scared as they do. Like when that same Republican banned assault rifles after black people started carrying them openly.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I was just a kid at the time and I was more concerned with whether or not my Gizmo plushy would turn into a gremlin at night.

That said, the public was pretty pissed at this court’s ruling. Why? I was too young to really comprehend it, but it was definitely a thing that dominated the news.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Not an expert but from how I understand it that alone doesn't qualify him to plead insanity. An insane person will act as if they are unaware of what they are doing is wrong.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good. We imagine how our society would have less issues if we focused more on real rehabilitation and reintegration, and less on retribution and *heaping on more trauma.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 months ago

It's technically possible to do that after committing any crime, but under super specific circumstances and it's a far cry from a "get out of jail free" card.

If you're legitimately, actually insane when you commit a crime you'll get sent to a mental hospital instead of prison. The catch is that the hospital will only release you if you're mentally healthy. That can mean that a person who uses the insanity plea may spend more time in the hospital than they would have in prison.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 months ago

This guy shot Reagan to make a celebrity he's been secretly stalking impressed. You think this is the same man?

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 19 points 2 months ago

He's have more fans if he'd had better aim.

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

No just a bad shot.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

speaking of which, why do these maniacs fail only when it's the worst presidents?

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"You rape one child and you get booed at the olympics!"
-- some hypothetical case, hopefully /s

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Any armchair historians care to theorize what would happen had he succeeded?

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

He'd still be in prison.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We would wear t-shirts with stylised image of his face, an image that would become part of pop culture and newer gens wouldn't even understand the full significance.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't some revolutionary, though... he'd just watched Taxi Driver about fifteen times and wanted to impress Jodie Foster (who, it must be noted, was twelve when shooting the film, and barely eighteen when Hinckley shot Reagan).

I very much doubt he'd have become an idol, given that.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, I agree with it being relevant - but with time relevance changes or gets forgotten.
(Tho that other revolutionary was just some professional curfuffler, it's merely that icons sometimes become randomly monetised (due to lack of overwhelming ad campaigns/propaganda forcing a single imagine or meaning for their own agenda).)

Maybe kids would wear those shirts and ask fellow cool-shirt-wearers if they even have a favourite "Jodie Foster" song (thinking that dude was Jodie).
(My little scenario-for-the-sake-of-a-joke didn't include the dude becoming a beloved idol as such, just a common image.)

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

He was a man of vision. I didn't care about his music though.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

He genuinely is being blackballed on a systemic level from performing.

Blackballed isn’t even the right terminology because it refers to the entertainment industry colluding to keep someone out of work, what happens to people that book hinkley is more like the kind of abuse cops use on people that testify against them.

He’s spent decades getting well and there’s literally a conspiracy against him now.