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I liked half the ending. It's a shame that we had to slam the brakes for the other half of it so

.Dukat and Kai Winn can be satanists. I like the idea that Sisko ends up joining the Prophets outside time, but it never really feels like the writers knew what to do with him being a spiritual figure for Bajor. This ending just kind of happened.

Anyway, I'm posting this 'cus there used to be a user here with the name SiskoDidTwoThingsWrong, and i'm wondering what those two things were? Keeping the cure to the changeling disease seems like the most obvious one. I'm curious what the second is

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[–] chillbo_baggins@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well done, trekkie! I loved >!Kai Winn hooking up with Gul Dukat/Satan.!< Such a ridiculous, epic and satisfying end to a pair of great villains.

On Sisko: as another user already said probably his famous "I can live with it" line from "I'm The Pale Moonlight" S06E19 >!The Federation was losing the Dominion War. Only Romulan aid could turn the tide, but the Romulans were neutral. Sisko and Garak forged documents, murdered a Romulan diplomat, and framed the Dominion. The Romulans entered the war and the Dominion was eventually defeated.!<

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was just doing Romulan cultural outreach. It was a very Romulan plot.

It's like being rude to a Tellarite or punching a Klingon.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was just doing Romulan cultural outreach. It was a very Romulan plot.

It's like being rude to a Tellarite or punching a Klingon.

It's hard to argue with that.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whenever the Romulans eventually figure it out I'm sure they'll be more impressed than mad

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those reddit style spoiler tags don't work here btw.

[–] chillbo_baggins@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

?? They don't? I'm using Sync and they seem to work ok. Goo to know it doesn't work on other clients

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How To Spoiler HereThis is a spoiler here, you can peep the comment source to see how it works. The default site has a button for it

[–] chillbo_baggins@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

::: spoiler Ok! Gotcha 👍 thank you :::

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

Gotta be three lines, comrade stalin-approval But otherwise you're welcome

[–] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 13 points 2 months ago

Not punching Picard in the pilot episode?

[–] Dickey_Butts@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree the ending was not the greatest and it also seems to forgive Sisko's crimes unanimously and without too much introspection. I think the writers were in over their heads but did a great job for the most part.

Basically The Sisko can have a little warcrime, as a treat.

I can live with it.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Planetary genocide is the big one

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you can call it a genocide if there's no evidence anyone actually died. It was definitely a forced displacement, or a species cleansing.

But even then, the Maquis did it to the Cardassians first. It's a brutal calculation but it was a brutal situation- if you're going to poison a planetary atmosphere so you can settle it, then the same thing happens to one of your planets and you have to swap with the people you just displaced.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think we've had this argument before

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah. I think it was over something else DS9 related, but I can't remember.

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Probably the events of In The Pale Moonlight, or standing against whatever the resistance was called, I forget.

EDIT: They were the Maquis

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Eddington was correct, Sisko was just acting out of personal ego.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And Eddington wasn't? He could have simply resigned his commision and joined the Maquis - instead, he went about it in the most dramatic way possible.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

He wasn't just being dramatic, he was using his position in Starfleet to carry out his Maquis operation

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[–] someone@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

but it never really feels like the writers knew what to do with

This can be applied to so many DS9 characters in the latter half. The more I rewatch DS9 the less I like season 4 onwards for this reason.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that a good TV show needs to either be entirely written by the showrunner, or have a very small team of writers being carefully managed by a showrunner with their own good writing skills. Otherwise it's all an inconsistent jumble.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I liked Dax and Warf as a couple. Killing her off the same season as the wedding was some serious Soap Opera bullshit, though

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was because Rick Berman was being a fucking creep to Terry Farrell. According to her,

The problems with my leaving were with Rick Berman. In my opinion, he’s just very misogynistic. He’d comment on your bra size not being voluptuous. His secretary had a 36C or something like that, and he would say something about “Well, you’re just, like, flat. Look at Christine over there. She has the perfect breasts right there.” That’s the kind of conversation he would have in front of you. I had to have fittings for Dax to have larger breasts. I think it was double-D or something. I went to see a woman who fits bras for women who need mastectomies; I had to have that fitting. And then I had to go into his office. Michael Piller didn’t care about those things, so he wasn’t there when you were having all of these crazy fittings with Rick Berman criticizing your hair or how big your breasts were or weren’t. That stuff was so intense, especially the first couple of years.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Jesus

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

This is also true for comic books

[–] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Planetary Genocide. Sisko did that.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sisko was justified in his poisoning of the Maquis colony, Eddington was playing a dangerous game with his cavalier use of bioweapons, Sisko got into his head and shut that shit down quick before the precedent could be set and the brinkmanship escalated into an annihilatory interstellar war with WMDs

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that was my takeaway too. Quickly stepping in and doing something about it as a representative of the Federation was far far preferable to Cardasians deciding bioweapons are on the table.

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

spoiler

Got so mad when Sisko suddenly became this chosen figure raised by the prophets suddenly in the last season.

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

became this chosen figure raised by the prophets suddenly in the last season

Isn't it pretty early on though when he's getting visions or whatever from the wormhole? Like i never got that far in DS9 because I don't like space station star trek but i'm pretty sure i saw that

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

It's set up from the very first episode. Personally I like it and I always thought the prophet scenes were done really well, with them talking to him through his memories. Gave me chills sometimes

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From what I remember, it starts out with him becoming the emissary by coincidence. He just happens to find the wormhole, the prophets in the wormhole decide that he is not a threat and he is chosen by the Bajorans as their prophet for this reason.

At the last season, they change Sisko from this everyman to actually he is the chosen one that we raised from birth for this very purpose. Suddenly he is the chosen son of one of the wormhole aliens, and I get so mad at chosen one narratives, find them so lazy and all too common.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Coincidence is a twisty thing when it comes to the wormhole aliens

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. They are certainly set up as just another life form the Federation encounters in the pilot, and I think they could have been handled better, if at all. The show especially got off the rails for me with the introduction of the pah wraiths.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I liked the pah-wraiths for how they allowed Kai Winn to complete her villain arc. She's the best villain in Trek imo.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kai Winn is such a believable, realistic villain. We all know real Kai Winns in our personal lives at one point or another. That's what makes her so scary.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

i hate her so much. they did a great job

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

sans-shrug eh differing opinions. glad someone enjoyed that part of the show!

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that was... some disappointing writing. If I had to punch it up a bit, maybe Sisko was always just a guy, but then timeline shenanigans erase him from existence and the Prophets are like, "Hey, that was the one guy who explained this linear shit in a way we actually understood, bring him back!" and they end up grafting him onto every timeline. Like, Sisko retroactivly becomes the only fixed point in the whole Star Trek timeline

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You already outdid the ds9 writers here.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

thank you

[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

I need to watch the final season of DS9. Instead I've just finished tng season 1 again

[–] ExtimateCookie@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am late to the party, still on season 6 of TNG. Will start DS9 after that. better late than never, I guess. What's your overall impression on DS9 as compared to TNG?

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

DS9 is more serialized, and this becomes increasingly the case in the latter seasons. Instead of wiping its hands of a plot and moving on to the next event of the week, the show tries to sit with the consequences of its philosophy and politics. DS9 is more interested in practical realities, while still trying to stay true to a positive and optimistic look at the future.

It doesn't always work well, but hey neither does TNG