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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Im skeptical a fair bit of time about those congressional 'lefties' but this is true, for the most part they're doing what they can. What I do like most about them is when they show up outside of a legislative capacity, like showing up at strikes or going to meet unions. I think many people discount how important that boots on the ground work is. Imagine being a franchise owner of something trying to snuff out union efforts knowing you're gonna have US Lawmakers who agree with your workers physically there with the workers. You better come correctly in that situation.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Just want to point out that they only showed up in support of the current labor movement after immense pressure was put on them after failing to support the historic Amazon JFK8 union drive. AOC and politicians like her still have to pushed, sometimes hard, to do the right thing.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They show an ability to learn from their mistakes, at a minimum. Can't be said for all.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry man I just fundamentally disagree and feel like you are ignoring/undervaluing the role grassroots organizing plays. This is pure political pressure, not a reevaluation of policy.

I say this specifically because as soon as you give a politician the benefit of doubt and remove that political pressure they stop "learning from their mistakes".

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[–] Yondu_the_Ravager@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. I hope they achieve far more in the future, it would be a net benefit for everyone, even those who dislike them and their politics

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The greatest threat to conservatives is other conservatives. Unfortunately, they’re just too stupid to understand why.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Their own party treats them with more disdain than their supposed "opposition party."

AOC and the other actual left-wing minority making waves in a sea of right-wing neoliberals and righter-wing fascists is amazing. They can't win, the game is fully rigged and the institutions are fully captured by monied interests with political bribery legalized, but it's like watching Cap get up to face Thanos' army alone, it's inspiring.

Too bad no one, including most Americans, are on their left.

Because were too far into the sunk cost fallacy to reject ~~"free market"~~ rigged crony capitalism.

"We can't re-examine our core economic beliefs! We already gave the owners all the money, and they promised for half a century to whip their dicks out and urinate golden showers of prosperity on all of us!... any day now..."

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

The article makes an argument exactly against this mentality.

[–] bleph@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (35 children)

I read the article, and I agree with Freddie deBoer. This is just liberal apologetics. This is just the same arguments of things are getting better, just wait, blah, blah, blah. I’m old. It’s tired. Give me healthcare and change my mind.

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[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Isn't that just the progressive left? As far as I know we don't worship figureheads like the fascist right with their orange demigod.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America’s “left” is pretty middle of the road if you compare the US to other first world nations.

Things like free affordable / free university education, universal healthcare, consumer protection, and decent unemployment insurance are not controversial elsewhere. But in the US the right wing claims these boring ass ideas, that the rest of the modern world has embraced, are radical.

If left wing idea were hot sauces, the GOP would think mayo was the Last Dab on Hot Ones.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can still respect and admire a figurehead without worshipping them. The difference is whether you bend definitions and rules to make exceptions of them when they deviate from expectations.

[–] wozomo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, the article linked is an AOC apologist quite literally bending “definitions and rules to make exceptions” for her after another columnist said she was "just a regular old Democrat now."

Branding the progressive left the “AOC Left” is also problematic and indicative of some hero worship on the author’s part.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Naming a movement after a figurehead is not worship, it's just descriptive.

[–] wozomo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It absolutely is hero worship any time someone is put on a pedestal and their flaws are ignored.

That’s what the author of the linked article has explicitly done. He waves away the fact that she consistently defers to Democratic Party leadership—except for occasional, “token gestures of resistance to solidify the illusion” that she’s a hard-line leftist—and then holds her up as the face of progressivism.

If that’s not hero worship idk what is.

Edit: spelling

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just as subservience breeds subjugation, so choosing between differing forms of exploitation can only result in continued exploitation. Being asked to choose between capitalism and fascism does not change the direction we are travelling in, it only marginally changes the route we are taking to get there.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

subservience breeds subjugation

I like that phrasing, goes well with 'civility breeds cowardice'.

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[–] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This article said basically nothing about what the “AOC left” has actually accomplished. It’s just a pro-Dem puff piece. Also, the author clearly doesn’t understand who leftists are.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How far did you get in this article?

The article sites examples such as the left dragging the party into supporting:

  • a much bigger social safety net during the pandemic
  • debt forgiveness
  • investing a shitload in transitioning to green tech

I could go on. Read the article.

[–] Harrier_Du_Bois@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I read the article twice, chief.

“The left has won a lot more than “nothing” from engaging with the Democratic Party.”

“The left” in this instance is talking about actual leftists, and I would love anyone to point to me where the Democrats have done ANYTHING that LEFTISTS want. What have they done that fundamentally changes anything? What have they done that hasn’t been and won’t be stricken down by the courts? What have they done for labor organization?

Fuck the democrats.

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

February 2023:
https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-renews-pressure-railroads-over-paid-sick-leave-2023-02-09/

"White House renews pressure on railroads over paid sick leave"

June 2023:
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

"After months of negotiations, the IBEW’s Railroad members at four of the largest U.S. freight carriers finally have what they’ve long sought but that many working people take for granted: paid sick days.

Biden deserves a lot of the credit for achieving this goal for us,” Russo said. “He and his team continued to work behind the scenes to get all of rail labor a fair agreement for paid sick leave.”

Cue leftists: "Yes our stated goals were achieved and objections overcome, but it didn't arrived perfectly packaged with a bow on top looking like our ideal utopia, therefore all problems with progress are clearly the Democrats fault."

Seriously, please stop. Progress is never going to occur in exactly the way you think it should. It's still progress. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

4 sick days, and the ability to sacrifice earned vacation days for 3 more. You really think they would have had to settle for that if they were allowed to strike? It’s not even close to what they asked for, and they had significantly more leverage than the company until the Biden admin stepped in and defanged the union entirely.

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[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

We’re not transitioning to green tech, we’re doing what was previously known as the “all of the above” plan, which is among the worst possible options. We’re expanding renewables, but we’re also in the midst of one of the largest expansions of Oil and Gas development, and specifically pipelines and drilling on public lands, in the history of the country, if not the largest overall.

We could build a hundred trillion dollars worth of renewable energy, but it literally does nothing but put MORE carbon into the atmosphere via production unless we couple it with drawing down fossil fuel usage.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

it literally does nothing but put MORE carbon into the atmosphere via production unless we couple it with drawing down fossil fuel usage.

You are completely incorrect.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/07/12/new-study-evaluates-climate-impact-ira#:~:text=The%20research%20teams%20found%20that,journal%20Science%20on%20June%2029.

This study, among others, not only confirms a reduction in emissions, but estimates more than 40% of a reduction by 2035 based on 2005 numbers.

When I was in college, my goal was to work for a green energy company. I didn't think that was realistic for a chemical engineer for at least 15 years at best. And now, about 5 years after graduating? I'm working for a company that generates green energy and is also decarbonizing other industries.

I know doomposting has its place, but it should at least be factual.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The point being, if you think we’re not doing enough now, you should’ve seen how little the DNC was going to do before the left of the party started making a big stink.

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[–] DharmaCurious@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Jesus I couldn't even finish the article. It was a long winded "but the Democrats are good actually!" Sheepdog bullshit piece.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This article is about progressives changing the Democratic parties objectives/policies and does give examples.

Between 2009 and 2020, many left-wing Democrats agitated for their party to embrace a “full employment” macroeconomic policy. AOC was among them. Then, when the COVID crisis hit, Democrats did as these progressives advised.

...

In 2020, congressional Democrats insisted on increasing unemployment benefits to a level that left many laid-off workers with more income than they’d previously earned at their jobs. Under Biden, meanwhile, Democrats enacted a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill on a party-line vote. The party’s decision to pursue stimulus on this scale — after Congress had already appropriated trillions of dollars in relief spending — was explicitly motivated by the left’s critique of Obama. As New York Times reported in 2021:

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Since Occupy Wall Street, the American left has made student debt forgiveness one of its core policy demands. The Biden administration has taken extraordinary measures to answer that call. The president has successfully canceled a record $116.6 billion in forgiveness for 3.4 million borrowers. He has also attempted to unilaterally cancel at least $10,000 of student debt for virtually every U.S. borrower.

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[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She's the Obama of millennials, and will probably achieve the same political success. (Once the boomers preventing her ascension all die off.)

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It’s not the generation, it’s capitalism.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

so most of this article was excuses as to why progressives supposedly cant achieve anything.

[–] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are the ultra minority. I imagine the report points to that.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah probably gonna stay that way with them following a non-progressive party

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The progressive caucus is 100/213 house Dems, it's the largest Democratic caucus in Congress now. It's been growing steadily.

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[–] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

AOC is just another fucking populist. I do not understand how people fall for this shit over and over and over again.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Populist:

a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups. "he ran as a populist on an anticorruption platform"

I one hundred percent agree that AOC is a politician who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

The critical difference between AOC and all of the right wing populists, is that she is concerned about people, and the preservation and expansion of human rights.

Right wing populists fire up their base by singling out minorities, and others that wield little to no social or political currency, and picking on them. Besides being morally repugnant at face value, the rhetoric and actual right wing policy never deliver tangible quality of life improvements to their base.

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