I wouldn't generalize to all Ukrainians, but pro-Western Ukrainians (and pro-Western Eastern Europeans in general) are 99% racist.
this post was submitted on 21 Sep 2024
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Yeah I said this in another thread too, absolutely hate this trend of hexreddit users calling all Ukrainians right-wingers.
It also plays into the hands of Ukrainian fascists who criminalized being a communist and spent 10 years ruthlessly suppressing any left-wing organizations, calling them "anti-Ukrainian".
To be fair, people on Hexbear are pretty sympathetic to Ukrainians in the Donbass.
But I agree. Same for WW2 era, most joined the Red Army not the Nazis.
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MOSCOW, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin castigated Europe on Saturday for "Russophobia" and criticized the Baltic States over human rights at the unveiling of a World War Two memorial. Since he sent Russian troops into Ukraine nearly two years ago, Putin has been making comparisons with the fight against the Nazis in order to rally his nation. "The regime in Kyiv exalts Hitler's accomplices, the SS men ... In a number of European countries, Russophobia is promoted as state policy," Putin said in the Leningrad region for the 80th anniversary of the end of the Nazi siege. The Germans' aims then were to steal the Soviet Union's resources and eliminate its people, he said. Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union and itself suffered devastation at the hands of Hitler's forces, rejects comparisons as spurious pretexts for a war of conquest. In his speech, Putin also lambasted the Baltic States over human rights. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - ruled from Moscow during the Cold War but now members of the European Union and NATO military alliance - have been among the strongest critics of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. "In the Baltic states, tens of thousands of people are declared subhuman, deprived of their most basic rights, and subjected to persecution," Putin said, referring to migration crackdowns. Moscow has repeatedly accused the Baltic nations of xenophobia and treating Russian minorities as "second-class".
It's absolutely correct, you rattling nazi scissor
Putin having the objectively correct take that the Butthurt Belt is rife with racism and that Ukraine is currently run by nazis isn't the own you think it is.
Just be honest and say you're a nazi supporter/simp/sympathizer instead of doing whatever you're doing.
Complaining about racism in Europe against your people is ABSOLUTELY the same as using Europe's racism against their people as a weapon.
I'm SO GLAD we federated with your instance that's completely NOT filled with repulsive nazis like you!
What was the message ? It has been deleted
It was a link to an article about Putin complaining about racism in Europe under the text "Russia when they're losing an argument." PolandIsAStateOfMind copied the first paragraph it looks like
Have any data to back up western Europe has unproportiomal prejudice against Russians when compared to other nationalities? We currently have issues with Russian government and those that support it for obvious reasons, but this apparent hate of Russians is fantasy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/07/antirussian-hate-putin-europe/.
Here's an article. It's from all the way back in 2022 and it's from a newspaper owned by a billionaire. You can't really get more mainstream than that.
Good article, but does not seem fitting. It′s about bunch of uneducated assholes making threats due to the fact that country from which they originated from is currently the aggressor. Same happened to Iraqis in USA for example.
Good article, but does not seem fitting
'Good article that addresses my point. I will declare it as not fitting'.
It′s about bunch of uneducated assholes making threats due to the fact that country from which they originated from is currently the aggressor
If that was the reason for their behaviour, they would have been orders of magnitude as hostile to anybody from France, Switzerland, Ukraine, Germany, Pissrael, the US, and every other NATO country.
Again, which country has invaded anybody is not a good predictor for this behaviour.
Same happened to Iraqis in USA for example
Completely correct. And you may have noticed that it was not because Iraq invaded anybody. It was because of a targeted propaganda campaign by your empire. Just like it is in the case with Russia.
Have any data to back up western Europe has unproportiomal prejudice against Russians when compared to other nationalities?
An example would be the fact that there is a perfect correlation between who is banned from working at CERN and their nationality, and 0 correlation between who is banned from working at CERN and whether or not they are a citizen of a state that has invaded anybody.
Also, the rabid anti-Russian propaganda campaign that you've been getting blasted for at least years now.
We currently have issues with Russian government and those that support it for obvious reasons
What are those 'reasons'?
It affects those that are working for the aggressor country. There are many of Russian descent still working in CERN:
All relations between CERN and Russian and Belarusian institutions will cease as of these dates. Relations continue with scientists of Russian or Belarusian nationality otherwise affiliated with CERN.
The Council reaffirmed that all the decisions it has taken to date in light of the ongoing military invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation with the involvement of the Republic of Belarus, along with the actions undertaken by the CERN Management, remain in force.
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What are those 'reasons'?
Biggest attempt to destabilise Europe since WW2?
Termination is due to Russian government not scientists being of Russian nationality.
Marsollier estimates that around 90 scientists have moved from Russian to non-Russian institutions since 2022
Termination is due to Russian government not scientists being of Russian nationality
Is CERN a subject of the Russian state? No? Then how can its decisions be blamed on the Russian government?
(And don't give me 'but Russia invaded Ukraine!!1' CERN doesn't care about invasions and warfare in the slightest. They are yet to expel any scientists on the basis of their states invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, etc., or for holding literal old-style colonies.)
My comment was about CERN cutting ties with Russia, but not Russian nationailty. This idea that western Europe hates Russians is a propoganda, it is the Russian government that we currently have problems with for obvious reasons.
CERN doesn't care about invasions and warfare in the slightest
Looks like they do at least for this one:
All relations between CERN and Russian and Belarusian institutions will cease as of these dates. Relations continue with scientists of Russian or Belarusian nationality otherwise affiliated with CERN.
The Council reaffirmed that all the decisions it has taken to date in light of the ongoing military invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation with the involvement of the Republic of Belarus, along with the actions undertaken by the CERN Management, remain in force.
My comment was about CERN cutting ties with Russia, but not Russian nationailty
And your comment was very obviously wrong.
This idea that western Europe hates Russians is a propoganda
You are saying this to the accompaniment of a massive NATO anti-Russian propaganda campaign coupled and stuff like banning Russian scientists from CERN, blockading Russia, having Russians who live in NATO countries go through special exams to not be kicked out, preventing peace negotiations that would have meant fewer deaths among both Russians and Ukrainians, etc.
Looks like they do at least for this one:
If one doesn't care about invasions except for one particular case, it's not the invasion that they have an issue with.
It's very obvious that CERN isn't doing this because of taking a stand against invasions - CERN is completely fine with an ongoing highly-televised genocide, with killing millions of people in Iraq, Korea, Vietnam individually, killing more people in Afghanistan, Libya, etc. If the decision was made because of an invasion, they would have banned scientists from France, the US, Germany, Ukraine, Poland, all of the rest of NATO.
If you still want to pretend that it's because of an invasion, then tell me what scientists from NATO countries are still doing there.
If CERN cared about invasions, it would have no members right now, by the way.
EDIT: So yeah, you are yet to explain why nationality is a much better predictor for who gets to be banned from CERN than what state has invaded anybody.
It's kind of logical to currently try to cut ties with a country that is causing destabilisation of whole Europe. Expecially if all that should be done to stop this is for Russia to just move out. Don't see it happening any time soon since they have poured too many resources in already.
It's kind of logical to currently try to cut ties with a country that is causing destabilisation of whole Europe
Ah, so it's only bad when it's the designated in-group of white Europeans who are suffering from getting invaded, got it.
Apparently, you and CERN both find it perfectly okay to kill millions of people in Iraq alone and perpetrate a settler-colonial genocide in Palestine.
You are so racist that you can't even register your racism.
Expecially
'Especially'.
if all that should be done to stop this is for Russia to just move out
The same applies to every single current CERN member. And yet, they are not banned.
Again, so long as nationality is a better predictor of who gets banned from CERN than which state has invaded anybody, you can't claim that an invasion is a reason for the purge.
Obviously closer issues will take priority over what happens further away. Same how East probably cares more about their situation than what happens in Ukraine.
That should not be read as lack of empathy for others, Israel government for example currently should be treated the same way Russia is.
Obviously closer issues will take priority
They are literally directly involved in all of the other issues mentioned. There is nothing closer than that.
They have also been doing so for centuries at this point, since long before CERN was founded. This is very obviously not an issue of priorities when CERN had more time to address this than for how long modern Russia has existed.
Also, I'm going to note that you are outright admitting that it's not because Russia invaded anybody, but because NATO said so.
Also, I'm going to note that you are just arguing for Russia (and the rest of the world) to roll over for your empire and for you to be able to attack Russia (and the rest of the world) with impunity.
That should not be read as lack of empathy for others
You are literally arguing that it's okay to commit genocides and invasions so long as your empire's leadership isn't bothered.
Israel government for example currently should be treated the same way Russia is
Notably, it isn't treated so, which throws your whole thesis out the window.
Also, literally every NATO state is guilty of that genocide on account of supporting Pissrael.
Furthermore, they have done plenty of their own atrocities without Pissrael, as well.
Again, nationality is a perfect predictor for who is banned from CERN, and which state has invaded anybody has no correlation or causation with regards to the bans.
You have no case.