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This may sound dumb, but I've never read for this man. I've always just heard about him on social media but never ventured to read his work. Opinions, please. Should I invest? Feeling like fiction lately. I've read so much non-fiction ~~through~~ throughout my life that I think I deserve a couple of fiction books to get busy with for a little while. Thanks in advance

EDIT: Thank you so much to all who answered. I have read and appreciated every single comment. I have decided to start with fairy tale since I ran into the book at Walmart. So giving that a shot to see. Thank you so much

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The thing about King is, and he'll admit this now, he used to do a bunch of drugs and hammer out several novels back to back. He's an incredibly talented writer, but sometimes his stories are just some cool shit he thought of that doesn't really go anywhere. Sometimes there's deep introspection, sometimes it's just a big scary dog that terrorizes a family.

And Cujo is great. Read it. Read all his books. Just not all at once. The Dark Tower series is another good example, because it does a lot of world building, but also sometimes the story just happens and everyone moves on to the next thing. The Stand has a similar issue. It is well written, meandering, thoughtful, and mindeless all at the same time.

There's also a loosely connected universe between the Shining, It, The Dark Tower, The Stand, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. These are all good books/series, but my recommendation is not to read them back to back. You'll start to see the patterns and fall backs he uses as an author when he just needs to wrap things up and publish the book.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He also readily admits that he is bad at ending a story.

[–] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Lots of his stories feel like he got bored, and just wrapped it all up without much actual closure. Feels very rushed. Under the Dome was a clear example of this for me.

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[–] punkaccountant@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Doctor Sleep also expands on the powers in The Shining and Needful Things references many of the evil entities in the stand and It.

I have always loved the way King weaves his baddies into many of his stories and basically implies that they are all the same kind of evil dressed up in the “clothing” to suit its purpose at any given time.

Now that I think of it…I think in Cujo when he is narrating the dogs infected mind, he alludes to the generalized evil as well. It’s been a while since I read that one tho.

[–] WoolyNelson@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I find his short stories better than his novels.

"Night Shift" is my favorite of those collections.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He wrote under a pen name to prove to himself that his work was valuable and not just selling due to branding. He wrote Running Man under the name Richard Bachman. It was turned into a Schwarzenegger film in the 80s. It's cheesy (the film), but fun.

Christine and Carrie should also be good for getting a feel for King. I read Running Man, but not the other two. I just know them from film adaptations. The Stand and It are also worth checking out, I'd think.

[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Honestly, there are very few adaptations that aren't cheesy or completely removed from the source material in somewhat major ways.

Take the Shining. Great film. Great book. The two should not be compared as if they were the same story.

Dreamcatcher on the other hand, no notes. Perfect in both versions. Especially the fact that the movie kept the shit weasels in.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I've actually seen the movie and I loved it. And I did NOT know that Stephen king did sci fi?

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 11 points 1 month ago

I personally like Stephen King. I grew up reading Carrie, Cujo, Misery, etc. They are iconic.

I started reading again a year ago but found them very long to physically read. I listen to them now and noticed a pattern. Many are slow burns, often have an older male involved (or maybe because I just read 11/22/63, Pet Sementary, and Fairytail around the same time), always have characters that reminisce, world building is great with all the details, solid characters.

I wouldn't read many all at the same time. Try a Stephen King rec, 1 or 2. If you dont like, move on. He doesn't just do horror. He can do other genres too. Very talented.

I still like his stuff. I just read Holly and liked it. Tried Fairytale. Wasnt my thing.

[–] benderbeerman@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've read every Steven King book. They all have varying levels of depth, but they're all very well written and immersive. I think everyone here had a reasonable point about a lot of his endings turning out fast and dark.

You may not enjoy this if you like stories that feel like they come to a proper conclusion, but I think that's where he excels at making his stories feel dark. The endings are almost always NOT satisfying. They often hurt.

Another thing people don't like about him is that he's a period writer, so lots of his writing is filled with current events from the time when he wrote the book. This makes a lot of his older books feel really dated (like Tommyknockers). But it's good for me.

Also, like most people who have also commented, i recommend starting with his short stories, and his more popular works. They really are good.

[–] usefulthings@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I grew up reading his early works in the 80's and beyond. Well written, novel themes, sometimes fucked up beyond belief. It's obvious he did lots of drugs.

Recommended.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Dark Tower series is pretty good for the first three or four books, the rest I couldn't vouch for. I find a lot of his stories hit the same beats to the point that they feel formulaic, but his best-known works - the ones you've heard of over and over again - are all worth a read.

Also, if you're looking for really long, really dense, really dark fantasy in a thoroughly rounded and meticulously crafted world, check out Steven Erikson's Malazan saga. King does horror, Erikson does horripilation.

[–] thews@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I really enjoyed the dark tower short in the legends of fantasy books which I highly recommend to OP to get a taste of different writers.

People's comments of the later books in the series have put me off on trying to read the series since I have plenty of other things on my list still.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Thank you so much. I'll check out Malazan for sure. I was at Walmart and see King's book "Fairy Tale" and it got me curious. Have you read this book?

[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

“Fairy Tale” is good but it’s not King’s best work. It has some of his classic tropes I really like, such as portals to alternate worlds, and thematic similarities to classic literature (in this case, fairy tales). But it’s also a bit drawn out in parts. I periodically reread some of Stephen King’s books, this probably won’t be one of them.

An alternative King story that has similar themes that I’d highly recommend instead is “The Talisman”, which was cowritten by Steven King and Peter Straub.

[–] thews@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fairy Tale was decent. I read or listen to a lot of books, if you go through books quickly you'll probably enjoy it, if you are the kind of reader that takes your time the pacing might be slow.

Theres a lot of tribute material, but it didn't add up to enough to make me tired of it.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have not read Fairy Tale, but I have read The Talisman which someone else recommended you and I will second that recommendation! I hope you enjoy whichever books you end up picking up 😊

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Recommend starting off on some of his short story collections and if you like those, there’s a good chance you’ll like at least some of his novels. I’ve been reading most of his stuff for 40 years and have pretty much enjoyed all of his work. His endings can be iffy and he tends to sometimes feel a little tropey, but the writing itself is often enjoyable to read and solid. His book on writing called appropriately “On Writing” is excellent and great for understanding the writing process either as someone who wants to write or as a reader who wants to better be able to think about what they like to read and why.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Years ago I went through a phase of reading his books one after the other. I devoured several of them and had a great time reading. Then I kind of hit a wall with it and haven't read him since. I still like him, and will read more at some point. But I sort of overdosed on it. I needed to branch out, read other writers, and take an extended hiatus from King. But it was fun to binge on it.

I loved the Dark Tower, but it's a slog. And he did one thing in that series that made me roll my eyes. But overall it's a masterpiece. I won't spoil the one dumb thing, but anyone who's read it probably knows what I'm talking about. (I'm not talking about the ending. Some people HATE the ending, but it made sense to me once I thought about it.)

His big hits are all big hits for a reason. Some book snobs look down on him, but if you like fantasy and horror, you can ignore the critics. He writes engaging stories in a well-honed style, not high falutin' literature.

[–] Praxinoscope@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with your points and did the same thing binging on his work a few years back after never having read anything by him before.

I assume the dumb thing you're referring to is

Tap for spoilerwriting himself into the story?

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I reread a lot of books a lot of times, especially ones I actually bought and enjoyed most of the ride. (We're talking ~100-200 new books a year and more that are repeats, mostly audiobook.)

The ending to the dark tower is so bad I'll probably never read it again. It's not the premise. Plenty of books have done that premise perfectly well. It's the most horrendously bad presentation of that premise that I've ever seen.

Steven King endings always feel like he just got bored and wrote whatever awful trash he could think of with no intention whatsoever, and it's even more frustrating because he has interesting ideas and makes them moderately compelling at the start. I'd say it feels like a pretty solid author just handed the last chapter to a random kid to write, but I think the kid would do a better job. He just never has any idea where he's actually going by midway through the book, and doesn't know how to end a book with "spooky" questions still in the air either.

[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I really enjoy Steven King’s work. He has an engaging style and some great, often spooky ideas.

He doesn’t plan his stories out; he just writes and lets the story flow, essentially shooting from the hip. Sometimes this works out great, other times he winds up resolving things with a deus ex machina. Generally you aren’t reading his books for the ending, but rather the journey. His short stories tend to avoid this issue - it’s much harder to write yourself into a corner when the story isn’t that long.

The best introduction to King is probably his first novel, “Carrie.” Some of it is now cliche or standard tropes, but that’s just because of how impactful this book was. “Firestarter” is another great introduction.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

I really liked 11/22/63, it was my first King novel, but then I read The Outsider and was disillusioned.

[–] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Kings early books are seminal and iconic. Carrie, Salem's Lot, The Shining, Pet Semetary and Misery are all brilliant and some of the most influential books in modern fiction.

[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

My experience with him is unusual since the only thing I read of his works was his treatise on writing, a sort of memoir in which he recounts his experience with writing and work ethic.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well, I think the responses you've gotten show exactly how major a figure he is, and how divisive he can be.

Any author is a matter of taste. Nobody is universally loved. That's just the way it is, and there's nothing wrong with that.

However, some writers manage to strike magic in minds so that their work resonates across generations, lifetimes. Shakespeare is still widely read. A person may not like his poems or plays, but he's impossible to ignore entirely.

King is no Shakespeare. But he is damn good at writing things that stick in your head. And I firmly believe he'll still be widely read in 200 years. Likely longer.

So, even if you end up not liking him in general, he's worth reading some of his stuff Afghan anyway

Now, I mostly like King. Dude is weird, his stories reflect that, and even his worst stuff is interesting on that level.

My picks would be Cujo, Salem's Lot, Needful Things, Hearts in Atlantis, Delores Claiborne, and the Bachman books. You read those, you'll have a solid feel for whether or not you'll want to ever read the rest.

Cujo is more of a real world horror story. Nothing supernatural, just a nightmare that could happen.

Salem's Lot is a very unique take on a horror staple. But it's still pretty normal horror.

Needful Things, that's one of the most unique horror stories out there, imo. But it's weird in the way that King does well.

Hearts in Atlantis switches gears. It isn't horror, not really. But it's a gentle introduction into his overarching inconsistently connected metaverse of sorts.

Claiborne is my favorite of his human conflict driven writing, where it's about people in complex situations producing conflict and pointing a light at humanity in the process. It's not horror at all.

And, the Bachman books. The collection of them is a glimpse into his most creative side, imagining slight twists on normality, akin to Claiborne. But they're further removed. One is most definitely not set in our world. The others could be, but there's still a sense of the alien to them. Once he abandoned the pen name, he eventually brought that kind of thinking into the rest of his work (and the best of his work imo), but there's a rawness and ugliness to the stuff he did as Bachman that is hard to compare to anything else.

Out of the Bachman stories, Rage and The Long Walk tend to get the most attention nowadays because of the premise of each. Running Man is the most well known outside of his fandom, what with the movie loosely based on it. But the real gem is Road Work. The glimpse inside the mind of a man that's just hit his limit and decides to stop fucking around and fuck things up instead. Hell, if you didn't read anything else, you should read those.

But, honestly? I've read everything he's written, and none of it is bad. It's all worth at least one read, though some can be immediately consigned to the "never again bin". His older stuff tends to be more accessible, but it's all decent

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Homy cow. Thank you for the very detailed answer. I'm saving this comment.

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[–] mayo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd start with a smaller one. His writing is very steady and consistent. Sometimes there are weird sexual undertones (weird in a bad way).

I'd recommend Terry Pratchett Discworld. I can't get into King but Pratchett is good for my English soul.

[–] thews@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I like Pratchett's world building but I hate the naming of things. I lose track of the who and where because my brain refuses the associations.

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[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fuck Steven king. He wrote a perfectly good start to the dark tower series. Then he wrote books 5,6 and 7 and fucked it all up. God-damned son of a bitch. I'd have preferred to have been left with blue balls after wizard and glass than to have gone through the shit that followed.

But, that being said, I highly recommend books 1-4 of the dark tower series.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago

You should read Misery.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

THANK YOU! The six year long cliff-hanger to Wizard and Glass was enough for me to stop reading his books altogether.

Movies made from King books are usually classics, though, as long as King himself is not part of the production process. His remake of The Shining was a stream of hot vomit to the face. But Kubrik's version is a masterpiece.

[–] ramsgrl909@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I cannot recommend The Dark Tower series enough, it is my absolute favorite. You need to buckle in and prepare for the long journey ahead though.

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[–] marron12@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like his earlier stuff when I'm in the mood for psychological horror. Carrie, The Shining, Cujo, Pet Sematary, The Green Mile.

The Dark Tower wasn't for me. I agree with the other person who thought it was a slog.

Lisey's Story is OK. I like the idea of it, but it's taking me a while to finish it.

The Mr. Mercedes trilogy is a nice, fluffy read if you like detective stories.

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[–] RonnieB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been disappointed by the ending of every King novel I have finished.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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Same. It's not just like a downer ending. They're also so bland and uninteresting they make the whole book feel bland and uninteresting.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] penquin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm already 15% into fairy tale. I really like his style so far. English is my second language and some books are a pain to read because the author feels the need to make it as hard as possible to understand. King uses very simple English and I appreciate that. I've only looked up 2 words so far.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fairy Tale is a great modern book of his. I am partial to The Revival myself, but I like a slow burn. I would say The Stand, uncut, is a masterpiece and worth the extremely long read. I enjoyed The Talisman, which is in line with Fairy Tale in being a kind of fantasy-horror adventure.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In general, he has great ideas, but trouble coming up with satisfying endings.

Cell is a great premise, an alien signal piggybacks on cell phones turning people into zombies.

At the end of the book it was like King went "Oh? Deadline's today? Good enough, pack it up and ship it!"

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'd suggest his Richard Bachman pen name stuff too.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I like the stories he tells; but I do not particularly like his style of writing. I prefer watching the movies made of his stories than reading them the way he wrote them.

Meanwhile, I don't really like Dean Koontz's stories; but I like the way he writes. I want him to write a Stephen King novel.

[–] cccrontab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Like any creator that has a huge body of work, there are gonna be hits and misses. I haven't read much of his older stuff, but I'm currently reading 'Salems Lot. I wouldn't say it's knocked me over, but I am enjoying it.

I have also read the Shining and Dr. Sleep and I enjoyed those immensely. Of his more recent stuff, I really like the Holly Gibney character and her arc in various novels and short stories.

You can start with "If it Bleeds", it's an anthology of short stories, the last of which is a Holly Gibney story.

I didn't care for "Sleeping Beauties", which he co-authored with his son Owen.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Very slow-burning books, and I almost always lost interest before finishing them. I found The Dark Tower especially tedious. After I couldn't force myself read it, I got the audiobook version a lnd tried to listen to it three times, but always fell asleep. Ironically, the books I genuinely enjoyed were some of his longest ones: It, and The Stand.

As Richard Bachman, on the other hand, he wrote loads of entertaining books. It almost seems like in that persona he didn't give a shit what others thought of his works, and the books ended up eminently readable.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Funny. I had the same experience. I loved the stand and it but couldn't get past an hour or 2 of the dark tower.

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