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https://www.nature.com/articles/438406b

This is from 2005

China claims to be well on the way towards vaccinating every domestic bird in the country against avian flu. The bold scheme — which would mean inoculating some 14 billion birds — was announced on 15 November and comes in response to outbreaks that animal-health officials say are dangerously widespread. On 16 November, China confirmed its first two human cases of bird flu, one of which was fatal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8327827/

A new strain developed in 2013 and was essentially eradicated by developing a new vaccine for the birds.

Why aren't we doing so in the US??? We have an effective vaccine!

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24155545/bird-flu-vaccines-h5n1-avian-flu-cows

However, despite seemingly having an effective vaccine in hand, as of late April, the USDA is still not pursuing bird flu vaccination as a disease control strategy. “While USDA is exploring the possibility of developing a poultry H5N1 vaccine to stock and use in an emergency, we are not moving forward with a HPAI vaccination program at this time,”

The biggest sticking point is around trade. The US exported more than $5 billion in poultry meat and products on average every year for the past three years. The USDA enters into trade agreements with each individual country it trades with, explained Upali Galketi Aratchilage, a senior economist at the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Each agreement outlines specific biosafety and production requirements that both countries agree to follow. The USDA said, in an email to Vox, that many of those agreements do not allow bird flu vaccination.

Every single bird that is infected gives the virus another million chances to mutate into something 100x worse than COVID. And we are not doing it because of the fucking cost to GDP.

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Because Americans don't believe in disease until they are literally witnessing it firsthand at which point they become absolutely certain that there was never anything they could have done about it

And then after the disease's host is cured or dead, they go back to not believing in disease at all

If it's not happening right in front of them right at this exact moment it isn't real.

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean that's your average burgerlander, but I think the reality is much worse

In 2023, the USDA’s Agricultural Research Service began testing five vaccine candidates. According to the USDA’s website, studies show the candidates provided near 100 percent clinical protection in chickens. (The USDA has also started to “assess the potential to develop” an H5N1 vaccine for cows.) The USDA has not released further information about the clinical trials.

We have vaccines, but they won't do it because it would cost money.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People are saying it every day

[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ok, is this Maduro? I've always thought so but not sure.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

it seems... unlikely

but it does kinda look like him lol

edit: No it's some turkish uncle lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D976Wwr5_-0

[–] jack@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I'm going to choose to believe that it is Maduro

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because Americans don't believe in disease until they are literally witnessing it firsthand

50% chance they don't believe it then either

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of those people slowly drowning in their own mucus lying in a hospital bed and still not believing that covid was real

[–] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Happened to my mother who was a worker in 2020. Said she saw people die of Covid who would not believe they had it. Their families wouldn’t, either. Now when they die of Covid even the hospitals say it’s something else to deny it. I don’t know how to not be doomer about this tbh.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Because Americans don't believe in disease until they are literally witnessing it firsthand at which point they become absolutely certain that there was never anything they could have done about it

The angloid mind believes in one thing: "only things that effect me personally, matter. Screw everyone else."

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Americans won’t even vaccinate themselves and you expect to care about their food?

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I know it might be naive of me, but I atleast expect our non-partisan governmental agencies to do their fucking jobs and take a longer view of the world than the current news cycle.

If they think temporarily stopping poultry trade to sign new trade deals is gonna cost the economy, wait until COVID 2 hits you fucking buffoons.

And depending what kind of bird flu becomes human-to-human and how it mutates, we're looking at muuuch higher fatality rates than COVID. Winter is right around the corner too.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

wait until COVID 2 hits you fucking buffoons.

They don't care about that, only short-term gain.

We know this because COVID already is number two (that's why it was named SARS-CoV-2 when it got an actual name). We were warned with the initial contained SARS outbreak in 2003, and could have had vaccines ready to go for 2020 (which had about 85% similarity and still would have helped) but nobody would fund it even though we had 17 years!

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean it, my ambien hasn't worn off yet so if I start fedposting I am not responsible.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We don't vaccinate chickens against Salmonella like the rest of the world which is why we wash the natural waxy coating off them and need to refrigerate them, and why we can't eat raw eggs safely.

This has been one of the mindblowing things I have learnt about AmeriKKKa, because I really could not first understand why people had to the keep eggs in the fridge there when I've just had them on the counter my whole life.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

porky-point "But have you considered the potential side effects of the vaccine that I just made up? No? I didn't think so. Now shut up so I can go force my workers with insufficient PPE into a plague barn with their mobile gas chamber carts to kill 100 million animals (all real btw), as is dictated by the most efficient economic system there is!"

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The USDA said, in an email to Vox, that many of those agreements do not allow bird flu vaccination

in what fucking universe is this considered an excuse?

I didn't think i had much to be mad at anymore, but I'm actually furious at how stupid this excuse is. My slappin hand be itchin rn

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I HATE GDP I HATE GDP I HATE GDP

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Force-feeding them antibiotics isn't vaccination? /s

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Neat I found the next conspiracy to spread amongst the hogs:

Vaccines caused covid.

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh I think they're way ahead of you on that one haha

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No doubt but this seems like the kind of slop that'll send them in a right proper frenzy

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That the Chinese bird vaccines caused covid or just a general vaccines are the source of all evils in the world?

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The claim was that "our dirty vaccines" caused not just COVID-19 to be as severe as it is but also its predecessor SARS and the similar virus MERS. I guess it's a mix of both, but given this was as early as 4 March 2020, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has seriously proposed the bird vaccine theory by now.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

1965: shoot all of this kind of bird

2005: shots for all of this kind of bird

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

They do say history rhymes

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

american birds are too FREE. they don't want your liberal vaccines. a little bird flu never killed no one. stop being a pussy

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

amerikkka-clap

Bald eagles are gonna carry REAL 'merican bird flu around the globe. Manifest destiny.

[–] Hatandwatch@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't vaccinate something that doesn't exist.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

not sure what you’re talking about.

Headline clearly says,

“China has been vaccinating their populations for 20 years”

That’s truly remarkable

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the user is referencing an internet bit about pretending birds aren't real

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Pretending?

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

There's a government intelligence program to put controls on another government intelligence program

I eat da vaccine.

Mm yunmy