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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 353 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 111 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is this.. tilted slightly?

Am I leaning?

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 86 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

Mine curves to the left

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 21 points 1 month ago (18 children)

I sometimes think they turn conservative because women won't date them.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 47 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'm pretty sure women don't want to date people who have any sort of disposition that leans towards hating them or believing that women are lesser than men.

Unfortunately, a lot of men learned that way of thinking early in life(from family and/or media) and it ruins any attempt at a relationship, then they blame women and run to the very people who set them up to fail for validation, or find new ones like that sex trafficker with the pizza boxes, or that canadian psychologist who sugar coats sexism online. Repeat ad nauseum.

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[–] puntyyoke@lemmy.world 132 points 1 month ago (15 children)

A few folks have mentioned that these charts

  1. conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
  2. does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
  3. have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them

A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as "not a Democrat or Republican", and that's causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women

https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Exactly. I would be almost as upset with being classified as a liberal or a Democrat as I would be a conservative.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

At the same time I know many people (my brother included) that claim to be "independent" because they think that the trump camp is somehow outside the conservative camp, and therefore respond "independent" on polls. Because they think "I'm not democrat or conservative, I just want to drain the swamp" and then support trump, who is literally a swamp.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 month ago

On the flip side, in Europe extreme right parties are mostly being propped up by young men, while in other age groups men and women vote relatively similarly, which supports this finding.

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[–] sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de 128 points 1 month ago (17 children)

The opposite to conservative is progressive, not liberal

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Especially in Europe where liberal is more typically used for economically liberal.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Which tend to be conservative socially.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Yes. Liberal is the opposite of "moralist" and sometimes "oppressive".

The US use of the word "liberal" is a bit shifted in the direction of "libertine" (same as libertarian, but strongly focused on personal freedoms of substance abuse and sexual promiscuity at the expense of economical\political freedoms to own catgirl slaves and shoot up crowds).

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 84 points 1 month ago (15 children)

When I think of all the women & girls in my life that I care about, I remember that I could never be a conservative. It would be a betrayal.

Assuming this is accurate, I'm pleased to see men in the UK bucking the trend.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As women gain independence, frightened men turn to patriarchal solutions. Hence a turd like JD Vance spouting hateful and controlling rhetoric on podcasts and Ahole Tate brainwashing adolescent boys. Fuck these people.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

🌳 Die? No. We lost them, and now we cannot find them.

[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Now I hear Treebeard whining about modern females and how none of them want to be Entwives for alpha Ents

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I HATE THE LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE DICHOTOMY

I HATE THE LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE DICHOTOMY

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[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Difficult to assess this info without knowing how the data was created.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Also hard to believe the American average is +20 leaning lib. The country is represented by a fascist party and a centrist party, and anything more left than the centrist party is considered "far left".

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Another Lemmy post with no source in the main post.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 36 points 1 month ago (7 children)

What the fuck South Korea? Also you just know that sudden rise in liberal men in the UK is the Tories' doing.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

SK is wild right now. Women are taking part in the 4B movement (no dating, sex, childbirth, or marriage. The Korean words start with "B"). There was a online feminist group that got people so heated they thought they were sneaking hand signals into "male" media and they were getting people fired. If certain characters didn't come out with risqué enough clothing, male netizens would blame some secret feminist in the company. Women are assaulted if they're confused for a feminist due to just their hairstyle. A book ("Kim Jiyoung 1989" I think) that is, like, baby's first feminist literature, can have your spouse leave you. Men say you can't date a woman whose read it. All the book is about is the subtle sexism women face. They have an epidemic of "molka," which are secret cameras in women's bathrooms among other places. Women tell each other to bring nail polish to paint over the screws to protect themselves. Their new president is looking to abolish the gender equality ministry and blames feminism for the low birth rate.

TL;DR: Yeah, it's pretty bad over there right now.

Edit: Here's a two part video that goes over this surprisingly well for being about gacha games. Part 1 and Part 2.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Holy fuck. There are legitimately third world countries better than this what the fuck.

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

oh yeah, South Korea has gone off the rails recently. lots of news stories about men assaulting women for the assumption that they're feminists, anti-woman politicians being elected, women losing their jobs for being (or assumed to be) feminists, it's all Very Not Good.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Conservative being down is a good presentation choice.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

So probably -

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Men want the days back when they were more in charge and didn’t have to worry about consequences so much.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's weird that the axes of where "centre" is remain stable over time. Can you imagine comparing "left vs right" between the 1890s and the 1920s? Like a bunch of stuff happened in between, history happened, and that tends to redefine left, right and centre.

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[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

shit sucks which primes people for radicalization and The Algorithm basically pushes men to be chud shitheads (which doesn't really work for women because who is going to listen to "become a baby machine" and think YEAH, BET)

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You'd be surprised, until they encounter what that actually means and will mean for them specifically - some conservative women trick themselves into thinking they'll be given an exemption. Or they really just don't what it means until someone like Crowder is brow-beating them and not letting them leave

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The important thing here is to know how did they measure young people's political ideologies. I wouldn't expect it was self-perceived as currently, people have a hard time admitting they are conservative compared to admitting they sympathize with a conservative party.

If it was determined by a questionnaire, it would be interesting to see what questions were included. Maybe the questions weren't well planned and that's it. Maybe they equalled feminist takes to ~~progressive~~ liberal ones, which is something that can be discussed. In this case, I would be picky about the origin of the graphics.

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The gap sounds plausible, but I highly doubt the overall positions relative to 0.

E.g., the Federal Republic of Germany has had conservative chancellors for 51 years out of the 75 since it was founded. We did not have a constant left majority (I assume that is what they mean by liberal, since the actual sense of the term doesn't make sense as an opposite to "conservative").

Edit: I fucked up, this is only about people below 30.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

These graphs only cover the demographic of 18-29 year olds, which historically do lean heavily towards progressive.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago (61 children)

Is anyone brave enough to ask why?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Women are rightfully concerned about the loss of bodily autonomy. They don't want to live in the handmaids tale.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 81 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn't helping.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 45 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I wasn't paying attention for like 2 seconds and it went from "Men also have rights" to "Andrew Tate is a role model", like WTF internet, stop ruining good things, fuck.

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[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Andrew Tate blaming normal life issues on women and pushing teenagers to be very hateful against them is one big reason

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 30 points 1 month ago

It’s “The Woke”. Women are more visible in society as they are treated more equally, so certain (yes not all men) men see that as men losing rights and want to go back to “the good old days”

If you created a similar graph mapping the ideology gap between races or straight and LGBTQIA+ they’d look very similar.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (15 children)

I genuinely fear for future for women across the world

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What's the source? I wanna learn about the weird unexpected drops in some countries.

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