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Various thoughts:

  • Around 20 people weren't properly covered by the gender categories, obviously we're trying to be as inclusive as possible and a different approach will be tried next time

  • There were about 600 respondents, which gives us a accurate sampling of the active userbase. If you multiply any number by 3, you'll get a fairly accurate representation of the full userbase each week. This means there are around 800-900 people who don't identify fully as cis each week on this site.

  • Nearly 300 trans/gender diverse/questioning people unanimously agree that hexbear is an inclusive space

  • There was so much data on gender that I was really struggling to find a way to convey the data that wasnt a pie chart, graph, or an incomprehensible kalaeidoscope. If you have an idea on how to beautify the data, you can download the raw data here: https://pad.artemislena.eu/file/#/2/file/xzy4pck8on+oZp9yGRUIezR+/ - I further anonymized this data by removing time of response and any specific comments, I don't think it would be easy for anyone to figure out who is who.

  • There were a couple of text responses that really needed further elaboration, I noted hexbear's rules next to these comments

  • I'll probably be doing a demographics survey sometime in the future, including basic fairly anonymous stuff like "what region were you born in" "where do the languages you speak originate" "would you describe yourself as a POC" "what age range are you in".

  • The percentage of people answering they were cisgender increased by 8% than the previous survey. This could be for a myriad of reasons, such as cis people being afraid trans people will hunt them down in the public thread and assassinate them. Anonymity may have made them feel safer to respond. Regardless, way more people responded this time, which signifies that people felt safer responding to the cryptpad or it was easier to do. The leading question was a bit more inclusive than last time, but I think I'll include both questions (are you transgender / gender diverse and are you cisgender) to see how people respond.

  • We have a lot of people that aren't binary trans on this site.

  • Some of the questions were pretty funky and we got a lot of fuzzy responses on them as a result. In particular "After you realized you were trans/gender diverse, how long did it take for you to begin to act on it?" and "At what age did you begin transition?" caused a lot of friction, I think I will ask more vague questions in the future that lead to a path of more specific questions to capture better data, and to save people time. Questions like "Do you feel your gender transition had a defined starting point?" and some further ones.

  • Around 20 people each week on this site are cis she/hers, which is very low and roughly the same as last time. I feel like if hexbear ever starts hosting other federated stuff (like a federated tiktok or something) and can hook into it natively with lemmy, we'd see a better ratio.

  • I tried to be very sure any data with >2 people on it was clearly legible, I think some people might find it fun that there are others with their same fairly specific classifications per this survey lurking around on the site.

  • Overall I feel like the survey was a success despite some bumps.

  • You can find the other surveys/links here: https://hexbear.net/post/3016455

  • I made these graphs on company time bridget-pride-stay-mad

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Someone should post this on /r/mtf and /r/ftm and some of the enby subreddits, just saying. Share it around, maybe we'll get new friends! berdly-smug

And maybe edit the prolewiki https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Hexbear

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Would be funny to crosspost it onto Lemmy.ml and watch libs mald that leftists are better at making an inclusive and safe space for our trans comrades than they are again, though I'm pretty sure that would also coincide with harassment again, which should obviously be avoided.

Edit: shoutout to marcie, she even crossposted it to blahaj.zone. wonder if a few visit Hexbear in response?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Uncritical support to marcies crusade against Lemmy

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

100%, you and her are some of the best anti-transphobia warriors on the fediverse, great job! rat-salute

[–] Anvil_Lavigne@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

it's how i ended up here cat-trans

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[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 80 points 1 month ago (7 children)

shoutout to the 7 cis women on here

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 72 points 1 month ago

IRL I assume most people are cis.

On hexbear I assume most people are trans.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 69 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Around 20 people each week on this site are cis women

I'm sorry to have to bring this up again, but your survery had no instruments to accurately measure that. It once more had no option to say if you're a woman (i noticed, because that meant that i couldn't accurately state my gender until i picked "other" and used the free text field). Only "are you cis or trans" and "which pronouns do you use", which does not enable you to accurately assess people's genders. PRONOUNS =/= GENDER. Cis women could go with none / use name, comrade or they / them for opsec reasons or because they do not want to be targeted by the many misogynist weirdos on this site or because they want to normalize gender neutral language. I know several cis women IRL who at least sometimes do this in online communities. In this survery, you wouldn't know if they're women. Or she / her may simply not be the pronouns that fit them. There was at least one cis woman with hy / hym pronouns in the replies to the survey.

In future surverys, i'd abandon the approach to infer gender from pronouns, stick with the option to tick multiple boxes, but just add man and woman to the list.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

good point tbh, true, edited that. i try to avoid specifics generally because people seem to hate specifics on these forms, gender is a fickle creature

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[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

the jokes about Xi save us and defense/denial of worker/minority abuse in China make us look bad, (etc etc) No different than libs defending Klanmala "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" (etc etc) Han supremacism no more acceptable than white supremacism (no shit), Dengism killed wholesome chungus communism, China surveillance state

Wew. Also no one is defending worker/minority abuse (the surveillance state in China I will defend, let's not kid ourselves socialist societies are under siege, were born under siege, etc etc) or claiming China is a utopia. And comparing support of AES to Klanmala support is straight up lib shit (and crying about Dengism is both ignoring dialectal materialism, and your western lowkey chauvinist, dogmatist opinion of AES). cringe cringe

As for the comment about transmisogynism (while I'm not the one who mentioned it), somewhat yeah. And there's def an issue of orientalist attitudes towards anime (as someone who is Asian), there is shit but wypipo/westerners' and other cultures' shit has its own issues. "Asian (specifically Asian) cartoon bad because (insert stereotypes here)" is tired y'all

And yeah I called out people who posted their opinions, anonymously, who I don't know who they are... deal with it xi

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I am once again begging anti-Dengists to explain Historical Materialism denguin

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

the jokes about Xi save us and defense/denial of worker/minority abuse in China make us look bad, (etc etc) No different than libs defending Klanmala "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" (etc etc) Han supremacism no more acceptable than white supremacism (no shit), Dengism killed wholesome chungus communism, China surveillance state

White supremacy is worse for the simple reason that it has been institutionalized in multiple countries and is the bedrock of capitalism. Han supremacy is limited to individuals. The PRC hasn't institutionalized Han supremacy and in fact has taken steps to combat it. Why else would the One Child policy exclude ethnic minorities from it? Like, you could find the mass graves of dead Indigenous children in residential schools. Not sure how anything the PRC has ever done is comparable to that.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Great work! Re: low cis women, I know one of them IRL, and she's trying to basically wean off all Social Media, so she very rarely posts or comments here (but she did respond to the survey). Not sure how to get more ciswomen or transmen to join, honestly, but it's great to see that everyone feels safe here!

Edit: it's clear that misogyny is one of the most commonly pointed out issues with this site, based on reading replies and input from other comrades. I am fully in favor of a purge, even if it would be unpopular, it's better to confront issues and remove the problem elements. It's important for every user to feel as safe and comfortable in every bit of this site (except the EM/POC community threads for whites and trans community threads for cis, obviously safe spaces would be maintained as such). Maybe another weekly megathread as a safe space? A Feminism community sounds cool too and would be a good place to hold that, I think. Maybe include comm sidebars with feminist literature and theory? Just spitballing here.

On that note, if anyone has felt that I have been guilty of misogyny, I'd greatly appreciate being re-educated so I can be a better comrade and make this a safer space for women, enbies, and other non-masculine comrades.

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Also techically I at least am one of those "has lived a life of a cis woman" who answered "maybe" types that might be able to voice that maybe only in a space like this. I am thinking of a kind of autigender thing and the way women mask and have to mask their identities.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, the person I am referring to doesn't list her pronouns, she tries to mask more online more often than not. Same concept.

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah it makes sense.

I also wonder if in a space like this the high number of maybes reflects the gender in flux that sort of isn't either ready for a signifier or just fully refuses one, which I think my own identification is becoming. So there could be a lot of people in motion in there who might have at one time answered differently or might answer differently somewhere else.

Plus I think leftism itself helps people to reconsider things like gender so in leftist spaces I would assume people will be selecting more open categories.

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

YOU CAN JUST CALL ME OUT BY NAME, COWARD

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[–] Seasonal_Peace@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I have recommended hexbear to two cis women and they did not like it. Both are socialst, but they said that hexbear is "pro russia" and "pro Iran"... typical western "socialists"

[–] buh@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago

you can tell it's from a leftist forum because one of the genders is a whole paragraph

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

Practically no cis-women wtf

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yeah maybe around 20 per week, though a fun fact is we have around 24-30+ trans he/hims on here which was much more than i thought!

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I wonder about the lemmy-wide statistics for this

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[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 43 points 1 month ago

The jokes about Xi save us...

Jokes?

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago (7 children)

So, 49% of us are being sent to re-education camps? When do the busses leave?

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

Bimbofication for some, little Trans Flags for others.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

astronaut-1 this is the re-education camp

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I find it amusing that a recurring sentiment seems to be that Hexbear is too weird and embarrassing.

Should we be piss posting less? thinking-about-it

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

Okay it's all me and no I won't stop

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[–] khizuo@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I put β€œmaybe” as my answer for if I would recommend hexbear to my trans friends. It’s still true, but I think that because of the answer I put I didn’t get to talk about the caveats I would have to tell them first, so I’ll put them here. It’s really more of a β€œmaybe leaning towards no” answer for the following reasons.

misogyny, anti-fatness/weight, anti-plural shit

  • The obvious one that other people have already mentioned β€” misogyny. There is a culture of misogyny that permeates through this site. It has honestly turned me off from engaging with the majority of it and now I mostly stick to the trans mega. We seriously need a purge, and said purge would affect a lot of long-time posters and be very very unpopular (though not among us trans mega folks!)

  • There is a lot of discussion of weight on this site, and while it is usually under a spoiler it is still overwhelmingly about losing weight and that can be a triggering topic for a lot of people. It has, in fact, started affecting me and my own relationship to my body in a bad way. I know that weight can be a source of dysphoria and it’s not on me to dictate what people do about their bodies, but also constantly talking about dieting and wanting to lose weight creates a culture of anti-fatness whether we want it to or not. I think the solution to that is to have conversations about anti-fatness and not to ignore that it exists and is the primary driver behind dieting culture, which hexbear currently does. As a caveat: I have thin privilege, but I would definitely be very wary of recommending hexbear to the fat trans people in my life.

  • I have seen anti-system shit on hexbear before and I do not feel that this is a safe space to openly discuss plurality or present as plural. I think the trans mega is much better than the rest of the site, but unfortunately it doesn’t exist in a vacuum from the rest of the site. I would be very wary of recommending hexbear to my trans plural and system friends.

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

what gender type/category best describes you

Dyke and a half

:wheeze:

[–] Person@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Hexbear is a little weird/embarrassing

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[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Misogyny may be a bannable offense, but it most certainly bleeds through often enough that there are days where I feel very uncomfortable on this website. Some of the threads that pop up from time to time are absolutely disgusting.

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[–] Luna@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago
[–] pooh@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

This is amazing work. Thank you for putting this all together. Care-Comrade

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