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Hi comrades, want to give you all an informal update on the discussions around the site's misogyny problems that've been happening over the last several days. I wanna make sure you know that the admin/mod team has seen all of that discourse and we've been actively discussing solutions in the matrix mod chat. We're taking this shit very seriously and acknowledge that we haven't used a heavy enough hand on misogynistic rhetoric. As some of you saw we nuked that cheating thread from a couple weeks ago and handed out temp bans to the most egregious offenders. Idk how that was allowed to run it's course but we apologize for that oversight. We're going to do better.

We've come up with some ideas for how to improve this part of the site culture and we want to get suggestions from y'all as well, since the alarm was sounded on this by our beautiful c/traa posters to begin with. Our ideas so far include:

  1. A zero-tolerance policy towards any even remotely misogynistic/patriarchal posts or comments, as too much has slipped through the cracks on that, establishing a clear protocol for bans for violating rules against misogyny, and ideally tracking repeat offenders in a way that makes deciding a course of action easy when they reoffend.

  2. Uphold TC69 thought by starting up a book club (and hopefully more to follow) on feminist theory and encouraging mass participation, particularly from the he/him's on the site. "The Will to Change" by bell hooks has been suggested by multiple people as a great starting point but please feel free to suggest any other works.

  3. Relaunching /c/menby with a trusted educated mod team and a specific focus on countering mainstream narratives about masculinity, relationships and sex that breed reactionary, patriarchal attitudes

  4. Encouraging [namely femme] participation in /c/womenby and taking steps to revitalize that sub as an excellent source of discussion on feminism and intersectionality

  5. Holding another mod drive to get more folks into mod positions in our communities who can help weed out reactionary attitudes

  6. Encouraging users to use the report button often on any post that seems even remotely sus, with the promise that no one's going to be punished for "report abuse" for reporting posts in obvious good faith

Please let me know your thoughts on the above or any other ideas you have for making the site better, safer and more inclusive for our femme comrades. Once we've fully hammered out plans and updated policy we plan to make an announcement post highlighting these changes for the whole userbase. Thank you all for being here and being who you are feminism trans-heart

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[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

how do the zero tolerance rules apply to he/him admins?

[–] Anvil_Lavigne@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

the whole thing was just what-the-hell in so many ways

Everyone was correct to call me out on my behavior with that post and the unfortunate choice of words. For that and several personal reasons I am going to be stepping down as an admin on principle. I have told the others to remove the admin role from this account and I thought about deleting it altogether but felt that would be the cowardly way out.

Thank you all and you have my sincerest apologies for not holding myself to the standards we should expect of our admins.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

i'm not fluent in ukkk, over here knickers means baggy ~~pants~~ trousers and there's a basketball team named after them for some reason

if that's 1:1 for panties then yikes

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Interesting and good call out. I wonder how many other phrases such as that have gendered origins.

[–] SummerIsTooWarm@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

Thank you, Admins, for addressing issues that are just normal and expected on other websites heart-sickle

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 81 points 1 week ago (39 children)

rat-salute-2

I'd like to kick off a little discussion since this comment about the way Hexbear often assumes the reason women aren't having more children is that material conditions for them are poor, when it actually is the opposite from @Othello@hexbear.net has stuck with me and it's a really important discussion that wasn't really properly addressed/developed in that thread (in fact, many commenters just kinda dismissed the point love made with the exact kinda rote vulgar materialism Othello was arguing against in the first place!)

Maybe it deserves its own thread, maybe the admins/mods should take a look at what happened there, IDK.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Goodness I feel flattered. I dont even think I explained myself as well as i could have i was so pissed off from seeing another post or comment hand-wringing about population rates in rich industrialized countries for the umpteenth time. this was actully why i felt the need to take a break from hexbear. and i mean im glad i did ive been touching grass more then ever before and am pissed off over internet things far less (still way too often). actually, i would not have seen this comment so quickly if not notified by my friends. anyway thanks for all the love in this thread yall, very sweet, i shall be off though as the edibles are kicking in and i need to lay down immediately.

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I think declining birthrate ( without doing some malthusian eugenics shit) isn't necessarily a bad thing long term.

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 81 points 1 week ago (3 children)

my "shut the fuck up and listen" strategy continues to pay untold dividends

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Wow redfash tankie mods won't even let boys be boys soviet-huff

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[–] Angel@hexbear.net 58 points 1 week ago (46 children)

Personally speaking, to give my own insight into another subject that others have discussed in this thread, I am all for a neutral (meaning neither specifically masculine nor feminine-aligned) non-binary space.

Seeing cisheteronormativity and binarism rife on every corner of the internet is deeply exhausting and honestly makes me feel like I'm "broken" for existing in a way that is far beyond any of it.

Not all trans people are non-binary either, so I can't say that I'm 100% confident that enbyphobia/transmedicalism would never "leak," even if just a little bit, into this community.

Truthfully, as inclusive as Hexbear can seem, I don't give any unambiguous trust to anyone who is cis, hetero, white, or neurotypical. The fact that this thread needed to be made in the first place can show you why.

"Leftists" will go mask off and spew hatred towards someone like me when it no longer benefits them to pretend that they're not hateful bigots.

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[–] asante@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

woah those are great changes!

very based mod team heart-sickle feminism

  1. Encouraging users to use the report button often on any post that seems even remotely sus, with the promise that no one's going to be punished for "report abuse" for reporting posts in obvious good faith

ayy now i have no report button anxiety

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

UNLIMITED REPORTS ON THE 1ST WORLD (hexbear)

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for trying to do better, Hexbear.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Bit idea: transitioning to avoid being purged from hexbear

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[–] niph@hexbear.net 49 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I just read the thread and even though most comments are deleted you can get the flavour of what people were saying. The way that some people are almost gleeful about the prospect of a woman being physically endangered is gross.

I think there might be a difficult discussion to be had about whether there’s a link between some of the more general politically violent rhetoric / fantasising on here and an implication that any violence against perpetrators of perceived wrongs is justified. I would hope comrades are able to distinguish between supporting resistance movements and the violence that’s necessary for the overthrow of capitalism on the one hand, and violence against individuals perceived to have committed some personal moral infraction on the other. But Western and especially Anglo culture is extremely individualistic, and that has created the framework through which many users on this site see the world.

I’m not sure what solutions there are to this, but some self-reflection is likely the place to start.

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[–] sneak100@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

This is really appreciated; thanks to the mods, and also to all the people having struggle sessions and putting in real life force (energy, time, wellbeing, etc.) into educating their comrades, I see you, appreciate you and commend your effort o7

One thing does stand out to me as potentially worrying, but I do want to hear what others think as well.

I guess I assumed that /c/womenby does already include all enbies and not just "femme enbies", so then does the creation of /c/menby require an exodus of "masc enbies" to a different comm? Why are we doing gender segregation for enbies?

Now as far as enbies go I'm pretty femme I suppose, so I kinda don't think this will be such a big problem for me since I can also identify with the label of "woman" easily enough, but what about our they/thems and agender comrades? "Engage in whichever community you like or both" is one way to go about it I suppose, but I can't help but feel like we're replicating the gender binary here in a way that will make some feel excluded from both comms.

I'm all for having a more active place to unpack gender shit, I think that is sorely needed for our cis he/him comrades, but I guess my instinct would be to go to something like /c/men or /c/mascs (these are not prescriptive :P) and leave the enbies alone? What do others think?

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[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago

wow im glad i have no idea wtf happened

[–] RagingGingivitis@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

full support on pushing back against misogyny, that thread was a dumpster fire and made me logout for like a week.

dumpster-fire

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

hell yeah ban their asses

looks at own pronouns

aw fuck

edit: i liked when tcsex# made us all read, should do it again

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[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Great responsive action! This is why I'd choose the bear. sicko-hexbear

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Uphold TC69 thought red-sun

Unlimited Purges on reactionaries qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

[–] buh@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)
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