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Can someone make a supercut of all the far-right dumbasses saying we cannot have a president who is under investigation? Might have to go back to 2016 to get clips, I don't think they say that any longer.
"Trump judge" makes it sound like Aileen Cannon.
The courts have at least 1,889 pages of evidence of election interference, and yet they will still leave him on the ballots for the highest office in the country.
This right here is the very definition of lip service when it comes to justice. It’s time for America to nut up or shut up. Either way, I’m damned tired of this bullshit.
As much as I hate it, it would be much worse if you could just accuse someone of a crime to keep them off the ballot. Someone like Trump would abuse it to accuse his opponents of crimes to have them removed. It needs to go through the court first. The issue is that's taken far too long, and the time it takes has been increased by certain people with a bias.
I agree that the problem is not with him being on the ballot, the problem is that it seems an enormous portion of the population of the USA are willing to vote for him.
Due process exists for both the innocent and the worst out there. You want that to be there to protect you and everyone else.
That Judge's niece is friends with someone who Donated to Biden so OBVIOUSLY we need to INVESTIGATE the JUDGE for Corruption!
-Republicans who LOVE Eileen Cannon and the Supreme Court!
Honestly, there's a much higher chance of some Trumper trying to kill the judge than anything.
Thanks for providing a direct link to the documents, OP. Much appreciated :)
Real question here is will this be enough to move the news cycle.
I don't think his voters care.
Correct, when “facts” come from TD they matter; otherwise your”facts” are safe to ignore
cant reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into
thanks for the correction
I think you mean "can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into".
But yes.
yes thank you
I think there's a chance swaying a little more people than we might think - even if it's a small percentage overall that can be swayed
Look for instances at the audience reactions to his lies about January 6th at his Univision Townhall. They show visable disgust
https://xcancel.com/MeidasTouch/status/1846746612980199817
Even if it's not enough to make them vote the opposite way, it might be enough to make them not show up to vote against harris. Turnout changes in single digit percentages matters a lot
I mean thats just not what the data we have is saying.
Note that polling doesn't capture turnout data rather well. It has to make assumptions about turnout for weighting
The closets metric polls have to try to guesstimate turnout is enthusiasm, which is down ~15% for trump compared to 2020. In 2020, there was a enthusiasm gap in Trump's favor. This year that's flipped
Or if we look at say a subgroup like Niki Haley primary voters (~5-10% of republicans), there's a marked drop in their support for Trump this year compared to 2020
The majority of them, 59%, said they voted for Trump in 2020. But now, only 45% plan to cast their ballots for him again in 2024, marking a 14-point difference.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article293768789.html#storylink=cpy
Overall, this will probably look like small movments if it materializes, but in elections won on close margins this absolutely matters
I agree thats prob the best proxy. I don't know that we'll get any exit polling data from GA or NC yet, but the turnout numbers hopefully look good good for Harris. She needs wide margins to keep this out of the SC.
They redacted like 95% of the stuff so doubftul. Most of the pages are just blank
I’d imagine there’s still quite a lot of undecided voters out there. This might move them.
At this point, if a voter is conflicted between a prosecutor who has spent the majority of her life putting criminals away and a racist who has several felony convictions and several more pending, they are effectively Trump voters.
It's really that simple. Anyone else who tells you that they are undecided is because they are racist or they are okay with fascism.
My response to a similar rebuttal:
I’d like to agree with this. But the fact is- we live in a reality in which not only a 34x convicted criminal/rapist is allowed to run for president, but has an actual chance to win. If this can happen, then so too can there be undecided voters.
There will always be a grey area.
Who's the type of person that's still undecided but would be swayed by some new relevation on Trump? At this stage you either don't know anything because you don't follow the news, you already know he's a criminal and a piece of shit, or you just think the media is making stuff up because "they're out to get him".
There's no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.
I’d like to agree with this. But the fact is- we live in a reality in which not only a 34x convicted criminal/rapist is allowed to run for president, but has an actual chance to win.
If this can happen, then so too can there be undecided voters.
You make a frighteningly good point.
This may not sway them to vote Kamala, but it absolutely may sway them to abstain from voting.
I mean, think about all of those Michiganders who are staying out this year due to Gaza.
Negative press absolutely can sway voters, even this late in the game.
Keep in mind it also gives people canvasing to lower-information voters something to mention
As an example, I was talking to someone undecided a bit ago who didn't follow news super closely and said education was their top issue. They looked completely taken a back when I mentioned how Trump has said he wants shut down the department of education (both from him directly and it's Project 2025)
100%.
There’s no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.
Here's hoping. There is one minor cohort of voters out there still to get; Democratic/ Democratic leaning voters who can't bear to vote for genocide. All other matters are settled. The idea of "swing" voters is this weird political mythology that just doesn't manifest in modern (post 2000) elections. You don't win an election post 2000 chasing after the center, you win it by driving out your side. Trump understands that and he's done probably the best job he could have to do so. If you are a Trump supporter or lean Trump; you are voting Trump this election cycle and you are voting. If you are a Democrat or Democrat leaning, you are almost assuredly voting Kamala, but at least some small fraction of Democratic aligned voters are still holding back over the Israel/ Gaza issue. That small fraction, maybe 2-5% of totals voters, are the last remainder to be "got". They won't be "got" by Trump, but may can be left on the table by Harris.
Yeah anyone with a brain knows that it would be worse under a republican.
People decrying genocide aren't being honest. They know who the real warmongers are.
People decrying genocide aren’t being honest. They know who the real warmongers are.
I'm sure calling people who oppose genocide dishonest is gathering heaps of voters for Kamala.
Dumping money into poor regions and the USA playing a proxy war with Russia is a game they both love to play. I don't understand how you think it's an election issue when this is what the US has been doing for forever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars
You can't fix this with one vote.
Trump voters won't care. But some republicans that lean centrist do exist, maybe it'll finally convince them to have some decency.
We got him! It's over, we can all wake up now right?
We can make it matter. Vote, get active, get involved.
Register to vote if you haven't. Deadlines are within days and passing in some states
Find opportunities to volunteer for dems around you and online
Write letters to voters in competitive downballot races (or swing states too)
I voted early.
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Once per election. National, State and local.
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