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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stein has said she sees "no lesser evil" between Harris and Trump, yet she's also called out Harris and said she will do whatever it takes to make sure she loses. She's said no such thing about Trump. Doesn't take a political sociologist to see that as supporting his regime.

Cat's out of the bag now, she's truly just in it to spoil the vote.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It depends on how you define "hurts more".

Looking at the polling for PA, but SPECIFICALLY polls done by the same agency, both with Stein and without Stein:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/

Oct. 7-10 857LV
The New York Times/Siena College
Harris - 49%
Trump - 45%
Stein - 1%
Oliver - 0%

Oct. 7-10 857LV
The New York Times/Siena College
Harris - 50%
Trump - 47%

In terms of raw numbers, yes, with Stein in the race Harris loses 1 point while Trump loses 2, so you'd THINK that means it hurts Trump more.

But there's no logistical difference between 47% and 45%.

In elections where the winner is 50%+1, dropping from 50 to 49 is a HUGE difference.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

In elections where the winner is 50%+1,

US popular vote elections aren't 50%+1, though. Whoever has the most votes wins, regardless of percentage.

[–] Renfield@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

came here looking for mental gymnastics

this is the stuff!

Good news for a change! So I wonder - is the change due to Duke's endorsement? The racists switch from voting from the GOP guy to Stein now because that?

But there's a reason for caution here, as the poll has a margin of error or 2.1% and the change to the duopoly candidates is smaller than this.

Namely, Harris staying at 49% isn't affected and the GOP guy goes down from 47% to 46% when Stein is added (49/47 w/o vs 49/46 w/).

With that margin of error, it could easily be the other way around, (so 48/47 w/ in the extreme case).

The margin of error is such that the poll is basically useless.

[–] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

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