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It seems deliberately confusing to me since there is no fundamental difference between voting now and voting on the day of the deadline, but the way it's discussed and referred to seems to imply that the correct day to vote would be waiting until the last minute instead of voting just getting it out of the way weeks ahead of time.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

Early voting in the US as we know it today, meaning going to a polling place to cast your vote in-person prior to election day, started in Texas in 1987 and spread to other states from there. Every state has its own specific rules regarding how long the early voting period lasts, and other aspects like how long polling places are open each day may even be left up to local governments.

Where I'm at in Texas, we have some early voting locations that stay open until 10pm, even on weekends. I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to vote (and usually less) since I started voting in the 2000 election. We have 12 days to vote before election day, and even a website with real-time updates on wait times at each polling place across the county.

The drawback is there are fewer voting sites open during early voting, so people with transportation barriers will have to expend effort to get there, but you can do so on whatever day works for your schedule. On election day itself, way more polling sites are open, so there's likely to be a site within walking distance or a short drive in denser areas, but lines are much longer than during the early voting period, and many people have to work because it's a Tuesday and not a holiday

Also, Mississippi, Alabama, and New Hampshire have no early voting and pretty much require everyone in the entire state to vote on election day.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ð US doesn't have a recognized start and end of voting like oðer countries do, we have a designated single day of ð election, and casting ð ballot before ðat is considered early voting because it isn't a uniform official procedure across ð states ð way election day itself is.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's a thorny issue.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

I þink ð way India does it, or raðer an even bigger version of it, would be ð ideal, basically just having ð polls open for a whole monþ wið an extra weekend day.

Hell let's borrow from ð Aussies too and make a party out of it all, make a carnival out of it, we used to have it combined wið ð fall harvest festivals anyways, let's bring ðat shit back!

Also I did see what you did ðere but I wanted to get all ðat out :þ

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you wrote. Many countries have election holidays plus mandatory voting. That seems to work reasonably well, though you'd need to allow for people who can't get off of work that day.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 19 minutes ago

Ðat's why I believe in a wide voting period instead of mandatory voting.

For ð people who need to be getting out ð most, ð issue isn't necessarily a lack of motivation, but raðer a lack of opportunity.

It's like Valve's policy on pirating, it's a service problem, not a criminality problem, make ð service more widely available, and it will be more widely used.

Hence, monþ long voting period and extra days off. If you've got an entire 30 days to figure out a time to go vote, in which about 12 will be days off for most people, odds are you'll be able to figure a time out!

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 105 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Historically, all regular voting was done in-person on election day and mail-in ballots were a special exception (e.g., for people with disabilities). It’s only in the last few election cycles that voting by mail became the norm, and most people still use the pre-existing terminology.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Upvoted for correct, accurate, and complete information. I really don't have much to add, other than to say good work!

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 9 minutes ago

The question was about early voting though? Voting by mail is only a small piece of the early voting total in most states

[–] Naminreb2@fedia.io 5 points 3 hours ago

The difference is that before, lines were lo g and some employees weren’t free to go voting during the work day (voting happens on Tuesday).

You could either get there very very early or late…or lose a paid day…or be fired.

Early voting allows for more people to cast their votes, even if it’s not at their precincts, and curves vote suppression on the day of the election.

[–] zoostation@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Same reason morning is earlier in the day than night. This is just how linear time works.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

<insert that video of the best captain in Star Trek trying to explain linear time to beings that don’t experience time here>

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 7 points 4 hours ago
[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Right I get that.

But why is it marketed, for lack of a better term as early. Why wouldn't it be, 'the polls opens on October 20th, and you can vote late up to November 5th'

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Historically the polls don’t open until the 5th, and as far as I’m aware, the votes aren’t counted until then even if they are submitted early.

When it was first added, early voting was not meant to be the way most people voted- it was meant to accommodate people who for one reason or another couldn’t make it to the polls that day.

It’s become increasingly more common as more people find out about it.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

As somebody else mentioned, historically 99% of voting was done on election day. Opening the polling places earlier than that was the exception, and the terminology has simply stuck as the practice has expanded. Additionally, many jurisdictions have something materially different about voting early, whether different hours, looser location rules (I used to be able to early vote at any polling place in my county, but not now... thanks, Texas), etc., so it's useful to refer to distinguish them somehow.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Because humans tend to give things names based on their relation to prior naming conventions. As voting on election day, singular, was common for so long then everything else is in relation to that aingular day concept.

No, a more accurate name will not be adopted because people are used to the current terminology and knows what it means. Just like we won't switch 'daylight savings time' to 'daylight shifting time' even though that would be more accurate.

[–] RonnieB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Why wouldn't it be, 'the polls opens on October 20th, and you can vote late up to November 5th'

Why would it be? Election day is November 5th.

[–] zoostation@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Election Day is traditionally the day to vote, campaigns are still running before that point. Anyone who votes earlier does so with less information than later voters. Trump could say something stupid between now and Election Day, and wouldn't you feel bad if you'd already voted for him and couldn't take it back?

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 10 points 4 hours ago

I mean, yes of course I would, but solely because I somehow voted for Trump.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Alternatively Harris could actually shoot someone on 5th Avenue, you never know

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Depends on who she shoots!

[–] subignition@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

Ha... you're right of course, but it's funny to consider this in the context of the exhaustingly long campaigns that are the status quo

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Is that how you think about your bills?

"Your rent can be paid on the 10th, and you can pay late up to the 31st"

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The only difference is to spread out the opportunity so everyone can vote. No vote is counted until Election Day, so this is no different than mailing in a vote early to make sure it gets in on time.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Most states as far as I know, count votes upon receipt, only a few states have to wait until the last day that polls are open.

I'm not asking why the polls are open more than one day, moreso, why everything is consistently referred to as 'early' or in other words, why does the media in general encourage people to wait until the deadline?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

There is no "on time". There is only "early" and "late"! Haha

(And late doesn't count in elections!)

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 5 hours ago

Maybe it depends on the media you're seeing. I don't get that impression from what I see to wait, it's all about coming out and being part of the process.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

If you look at the meaning of the word "early" there are several senses.

  • One sense is "At a time in advance of the usual or expected event." e.g. if someone suffered an "early death." Another sense of the word is "Arriving a time before expected; sooner than on time." e.g. "you arrived early today!" You're right that in these two senses of the word, "early voting" sounds weird.
  • But there's another sense of the word early: "Near the start or beginning." e.g. "Shakespeare's early works". There's also "Near the start of the day." as in "It's too early for this sort of thing. I'm not awake yet." Another sense is "Having begun to occur; in its early stages." e.g. "an early cancer". In these senses of the word, "early voting" sounds a lot better.
  • For more info see: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/early