Decoder podcast which this is from and specifically Nilay Patel is awesome, if you're not subscribed check it out
https://pca.st/podcast/01a33f10-fcfe-0132-18b7-059c869cc4eb
There's a good episode a few months back where the CEO of Logitech tries to justify the mouse subscription.
He's also one of the hosts of the Vergecast https://pca.st/podcast/5cda9490-4117-012e-1622-00163e1b201c