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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Over a quarter of Americans have no idea how anything works

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

~~Over a quarter of~~ Americans have no idea how anything works

[–] SocialistMonk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Can confirm. Am american.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure that's way higher than that, including top levels of government

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

over a quarter of americans think dinosaurs either aren't real or walked around with people like 5,000 years ago.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i think "civil war" has become a placeholder for violent destabilization. if there's some other word for it when trust in institutions is so low that the default response to "another guy walked into a building and opened fire on everybody" is being unfazed, americans don't know it. everybody who isn't angry is at least on edge, brittle. and the political system that was meant to diffuse revolutionary energy into the ballotbox has only surgically removed the revolutionary focus, leaving us with a rising tide of energy, occasionally foaming and bubbling over into violence in the workplace, at the school, at the club, in the home, and on the streets.

and the elections create swells of this unfocused agitation, which no longer ebb after the election as aggrieved factions now claim "the system is rigged!" because of course it is rigged, not that either faction wants to reform this. they want to manage the rigging and they are bothered by the other faction fiddling with the controller, because its our turn and mom said this was a two player game.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's my impression as well. People tend to think of two organized armies fighting each other, but really it would just be mass civil unrest and social collapse.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A civil war takes work and organization. Not expecting the chuds to get out further than a mile before they make a stop at an Applebees and lose interest.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago

Americans think civil war is just when two groups don't like each other for about 45 minutes every 4 years.

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Modern Americans are way too chickenshit for a civil war lmao

[–] SocialistMonk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, in a month people will go back to bitching about how their boss is an asshole and they don't get paid enough. There won't be any fucking civil war. Maybe a few nights of protest. If that even...

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah no, it's just going to be more and more terrorism, and if we're lucky, finally balkanization and imperial collapse.

[–] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

In the last civil war there were was a split in the owning class between the industrial manufacturers, and the slaveholding agriculturalists. These were competing economic models. Without a similar irreconcilable split in the owning class there will never be another civil war. The closest you have today is competition between the rentier capitalists and manufacturers but thats nowhere near antagonistic enough. Can you imagine "our beautiful landlords, their smelly factory owners".

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

our beautiful tech lords, their smelly jetski dealers?

our beautiful strong entrepeneurs, their smelly weak tech nerds?

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

Americans have no idea how states or militarys or civil wars actually work.

The USA has the most well-funded army in the world. Any real attempt at civil disturbance would be immediately put down by the army. The military would need a significant internal split for civil war to ever be on the table. Even if, somehow, a significant portion of the army was opposed to the current government, nothing would happen because it wouldn't benefit any capitalists at all to start a civil war.

The only significant divide in the American bourgeoisie is between democrat-flavoured tech giants and republican-flavoured jetski dealerships, and they certainly can't be bothered to make a civil war happen

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

The most I’m expecting is a short lived ad hoc tacticool “checkpoint” on the way to work to keep out the illegals, despite my town being in the geographic center of a continent.

[–] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

to have a civil war, you have to have people who are suicidal and ready to die. we aren't even kinda close to that yet.

[–] gracchibro@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

You only have to have people ready to die, they don’t have to be suicidal (ie want to die)

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

have you SEEN the suicide rates??

Suicidal ≠ having something you're willing to kill or die for.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Another quarter are excited for the civil war.

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

Come on, balkanize already

do-something

[–] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

I've been hearing libs (and chuds too) say this for nearly a decade now and I'm sick of it. Trump doesn't control the military, if he tried to go rogue he'd just get arrested. Or just ignored. How many of the corporate interests that make up much of the ruling class today would benefit from a civil war? They've got a fairly sweet deal going on. I could see the Fed gov fall apart domestically, lose it's ability to respond to disasters, and see state govs also abandon that responsibility, slowly leading to warlordism breaking out, but that's really got very little to do with Donald Trump.

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

come on, we won't be that lucky.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

more than half of Americans are so ignorant and coddled they'd starve to death without restaurants

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

A civil war over two factions of the same ruling class that agree on 99% of the policies, including the culture war bullshit....

What a Jester of an Empire.

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

so 25% fear it? OK, well how many cheer it? wowee

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I honestly don't think it's likely, seeing as there's also no real viable candidates for a breakaway army. Militia types and boogaloo boys don't really equate to a well-formed, competent army in and of themselves, and there's a distinct lack of crucial infrastructure one'd need to maintain a fighting force capable of going toe-to-toe with the US army within the country. I assume they wouldn't just get to walk off with a bunch of military assets and equipment, either.

On that note, we also haven't seen any smaller regional conflicts that'd be a prelude to something happening at a national scale. (E.g. Bleeding Kansas)

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't expect a civil war in US to be armies fighting each other, it would be closer to Rwanda scenario with armed gangs roaming.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Non Americans would fucking love to see it.

DO IT, itll be funny

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tell them to calm down and check back in twenty years

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

check back in 5 years.

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago