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[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago
[–] grue@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On one hand, fuck Russia.

On the other hand...

The court imposed a fine of 100 thousand rubles ($1,025) per day, with the total fine doubling every week.

...I really wish western governments had the balls to impose fines like this on tech companies when they engage in actual fuckery.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That "fuckery" was blocking Russian propaganda on YouTube due to US sanctions.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I know; I wrote "actual" fuckery to contrast with that.

I would like to see Google punished with weekly-doubling fines for the things it actually deserves to be punished for, as opposed to blocking Russian propaganda, which it does not deserve to be punished for.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're the Russian state then Google deserves this.

What you want is authoritarianism when it suites you, and liberalism when it doesn't.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah, fuck that nonsense. Objective reality exists and moral relativism is bullshit.

Whether Google deserves to be punished for something depends entirely on what that something actually was, and the notion that there's some kind of hypocrisy in agreeing with punishment in one circumstance but not another is absolutely ridiculous.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago

Nah, fuck that nonsense. Objective reality exists and moral relativism is bullshit.

Even if it's true - you aren't the one deciding what Google "deserves" or not now are you? So you need to convince others of your "objective reality".

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fines need to be payable, otherwise they are a joke. A large chunk of global revenue GDPR-style is reasonable because it really hurts the profits but it's still small enough that the company can pay it, and it will incentivize the company to change their practices. If the company (or anyone) gets a fine they can't pay they will just ignore it, so it only makes sense if you want to kick out the company out of your country, in which case you should skip the extra steps.

[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 36 points 1 week ago

russia is such a deeply unserious country

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

"we need money to fund our special military operation kthxbye"

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

May as well throw in a unicorn and two perpetual motion machines.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Headline writer should have learned scientific notation

[–] tal 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think that it's more impactful this way.

[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

And not everyone will understand scientific notation unfortunately.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

L0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000L

[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

LMAA,AAAO I'm adopting the long word seperator

[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Russia is doing so well with its invasion that it can issue multi-million dollar fines.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess technically that's multi-million...

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Trillions of millions, if you will.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah? Well I fine Russia $20 Googol Plex Decillion!

So there!

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's getting close to googleplex rubles!

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had just given Putin tree fiddy the week before

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Why did you give him tree fifty? Now hes gunna be coming back invading other countries for another 3 fiddy

[–] tal 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

To put that into perspective, the World Bank estimates global GDP as around $100 trillion, which is peanuts compared to the prospective fine. Google would therefore have to find more money than exists on Earth to pay Moscow

I'm not sure that GDP is the best number to use here. That's annual economic activity. I'd think that that wealth would be more-interesting.

According to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth

...total global household wealth in 2022 -- which I imagine is closer to what one wants -- is about $454 trillion.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just 440528634361233480160 times the global wealth. Sounds like a reasonable value, decided by a judge that was definitely not drunk.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure, but that might exceed the total monetary value of the entire solar system if completely disassembled and sold as raw material. Anybody wanna try and do the math? Cause I know I can't.

[–] tal 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most countries in the world are party to the Outer Space Treaty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

Article II

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.

Basically, all countries realistically capable of trying to enforce such a claim are party to the treaty.

So as things stand, nobody can really own any celestial bodies outside Earth.

I imagine that if humanity survives and spreads and starts to have interest in resources elsewhere, that that may change, but as things stand, the effective value of everything up there is pretty much zero, because you can't own anything other than spacecraft that you launch.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, I'm aware of the treaty, but that thing won't be worth the paper it's written on if the billionaires think they can have their own asteroids.

[–] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

I have a feeling there aren't that many dollars

[–] jockets@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

To put that into perspective, the World Bank estimates global GDP as around $100 trillion, which is peanuts compared to the prospective fine. Google would therefore have to find more money than exists on Earth to pay Moscow

Yeah, uhm... let's get into a 1000x more severe depression than 1929 to get the money printed, eh?

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does anyone know the name of the number with that many zeroes?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

First sentence of the article: A Russian court has ruled that Google owes Russian media stations around $20 decillion in fines for blocking their content, and the fines could get bigger.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

So no one? I assume that’s what you said tbh I didn’t read the whole thing.

[–] CaptainSkipper@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] SilverCode@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Sheesh, well why don't they just say that in the first paragraph of the article /s

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like Russia is already expecting hyperinflation

[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

They are losing the war against inflation.