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U.S. to Keep Sending Arms to Israel Despite Dire Conditions in Gaza (www.nytimes.com)

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The State Department said Israel needs to take more steps to improve the situation among Palestinians. The United States had given the country 30 days to meet aid criteria.

The State Department said on Tuesday that it did not plan to decrease weapons aid to Israel, as a 30-day deadline set by the Biden administration passed without the country substantially improving the humanitarian situation in war-devastated Gaza.

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III had warned in a letter dated Oct. 13 that the United States would reassess its military aid to Israel if it failed to increase the amount of aid allowed to enter Gaza within 30 days.

The letter said that the humanitarian situation for the two million residents of Gaza was “increasingly dire” and that the amount of aid entering Gaza had fallen by 50 percent since April.

By law, the U.S. government cannot give aid to foreign military forces deemed by the State Department to be committing “gross violations of human rights.”

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But i was told repeatedly, that Biden/Harris were only toeing the line bc. of the election and once it was over, they would change things?

Turns out the whole ordeal was yet another piss poor maneuver to lie to the people, just like that "aid pier" that ended up being used for IDF instead.

Biden and Harris will do nothing to stop Israel. They made a whole fuzz, now to have this very explicit "red line" not just to stepped over, but rolled over with a bulldozer. There is no red lines for this administration.

They haven proven once and for all, that they are no better than Trump for the Palestinians.

[+] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lol, tell me that in 4 years.

Your whole movement is nothing but 🤡.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you trying to say that people who are anti-genocide are clowns for being anti-genocide?

[+] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, they are clowns for thinking that not voting for Harris thereby enabling a Trump victory will be a better outcome.

May Palestine get everything coming to it that their actions enabled.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a +6 points gain. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election. Biden is a Christian Zionist, the genocide and de juro annexation of Palestine is exactly what he wants.

I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It's still on the campaign to earn votes to win. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

Split Ticket (July 2024)

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)

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Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)

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American Attitudes: Shifting Realities After the Unfolding Genocide in Gaza (Nov 2024)

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

https://instituteforglobalaffairs.org/2024/09/vox-populi-battlegrounds/#full-report (Nov 2024)

May Palestine get everything coming to it that their actions enabled.

The United States Administration is the one enabling Israel unconditionally. What a gross way to justify the genocide, by blaming it on the people who are anti-genocide.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your whole movement wants/needs to learn about politics and human behavior.

You expect blind loyalty and obedience in support of your beliefs and values but refuse to be anti genicide...

What would have Biden and Harris lose if they stopped the genicide in Palestine? Would they have lost Republicans votes? How about Zionest votes? How about the Evangelicals votes? No. So they told millions of people Arab, Muslims, and Far left people to fuck off and then want to cry about what? Not being liable in the genicide? That our genicide was more just because it was going slow?

Every Arab and Muslim coalition in the DNC warned them that if they didn't change course on Palestine they wouldn't get Arab and Muslim votes. So who's fault exactly?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't get this either. Like, they tell people to vote Harris, despite her having a shitty pro-genocide policy. Instead, she could've said "enough", stopped the genocide, and I could be telling people to suck it up and vote for her despite her being against genocide. Which world would be a better place? Of course the one where Palestinians get to live.

But apparently that's something that's unthinkable

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Yup all these train track memes and people complaining about Arabs and Muslims not supporting their values, while automatically assuming the Palestinians will be killed regardless.

Like there was nothing to lose and everything to gain if Harris had a left facing platform. But they told their base to go pound sand... After voting for them of course.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If Biden doesn't continue doing this he is not going to get reelected.

Despite full Israeli support for Trump, for some reason the Democrats still continue to support their genocide and violate every law in the book doing so. Maybe this is not about the elections after all.

[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe this is some conspiracy shit I'm about to say, but maybe we should look at the common denominators here? Fill in the blanks with your topic of choice.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans have a shared interest in __________.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -2 points 1 month ago

Breathing oxygen and drinking water.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 15 points 1 month ago

What a damn farce this is.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Shocked. Shocked I am that it was just a political performance. Again.

Are we going to get another USAID report directly contradicting the decision again too?

[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are they hoping more bombs help the situation?

[–] filister@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Am I the only one who thinks that the US is the lapdog of Israel?

[+] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes you are, because Israel literally cannot exist without US support. It's a tiny nation, completely surrounded by countries who want to kill every single person that resides in Israel, with the equivalent GDP output of just the state of Massachusetts.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So in your eyes, Israel is the sole victim here? But then how come all those international humanitarian organisations seem to disagree with you and paint completely different pictures on the reality on the ground?

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

1.) No.

2.) Because the perception of reality is subjective.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If Israel has nothing to hide, why isn't the international press not allowed in Gaza?

And why do all those international surgeons, nurses, etc. going there all talk about kids with sniper wounds, all aid and humanitarian organisations talk about the dire conditions, etc?

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That hasn't been the case for decades. Israel has a lot of allies in the region (basically the entire anti-Iran coalition). Admitadly, these alliances are largely premised on Israel's military and intelligence might, which would be diminished without US support; but Israel still has significant in-house capabilities.

As to the actual power dynamics, I agree that the US has a lot of leverage. But that is meaningless if they don't use it. Moreso now that Israel knows they would only need to wait for the next administration to reverse course if we started using our leverage now.

[–] dank 0 points 1 month ago

My only regret is that I have but one vote to give Jill Stein