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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

How do you people propose to call them? Expansionists? Colonialists? Genocidists?

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

Israeli supremacists

[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I really don't like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 hours ago

They already banned a swathe of pro-palestinian political streamers in the run up to the US election, so this is likely retroactive reasoning.

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that 'bibi's removed' is a good term.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won't)

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

One of the orchestrators of this whole thing, Destiny, defends child porn and the use of slurs.

Ironic is putting it lightly.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They probably don't like zionazi either. Neither this nor zionist is a code word for Jew. The entire political class, the great majority being Christian, and their donors are zionist, because going with the flow of AIPAC is path to get your candidates to also serve your oligarchist or Christofascist protections.

Netanyahuists or likudists or Mossadists or Epsteinists ok?

BTW, Chuck Shumer is going to allow a vote in Senate over this "criticism of zionism is anti semitic" law in US. Reddit also supports mods who recomend permabans over criticism of zionism already.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 63 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

The same way I don't think we should capitulate to framing "cracker" as a slur, or to framing "black lives matter" as a racist thing to say, I don't think we should capitulate to framing things like "from the river to the sea" or "zionist" as antisemitic.

But, as a thought experiment, let's indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I've got:

  • Israeli colonizers
  • Jewish supremacists
  • genocidal sacks of shit
  • Israeli apartheidists
  • Isreal expansionists
  • Israeli warmongerers
  • people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
  • modern day nazis
  • zionazis (technically not zionist!)

So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think "zionist" is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it's clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

the problem is that about 75% of people have no idea what happened during the partition plan and 20% who do think what the Zionists did were justified (even pre partition/pre war/war time(

I'm partial to three, m'self.

[–] RealistAF@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago

These are indeed very good alternatives

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[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/removed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetback_(slur)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)

So yeah. Not that 'Zionist' is a slur

Edit: Really, shitty censorship bot? We're adulterating URLs now, and selectively only that specific slur? Gross on both counts

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

I actually do think “zionist” is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too).

Do any of the forms of zionism (a belief that they should own the land) involve market purchases of the land they would like? (instead of settler colonial theft?)

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 hours ago

Yes, probably most of them...

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

"How dare you use a word that means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate' in a way that explicitly means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate'!" - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 32 points 17 hours ago

How about "genocidal assholes?" Can they still say that?

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 59 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (13 children)

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Peace is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

Edit - corrected Jewish Voices for Peace

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago

Which makes the blob anti-semitic for saying anti-zionism is anti-semitic.

[–] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 35 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 13 points 14 hours ago

Once genz matures, public opinion on Israel will shift. I hope Israel enters the "and find out" stage.

Fuck 'em, disgusting parasites leeching on US might to commit a genocide. Americans will pay for this too...

next 9/11: why would anybody do this to us 🤡

sad reality many of us did not sign up to fund the genocide but AIPAC was able to infiltrated state and corpos from within while avoiding foreign agent registration.

our spooks are fucking useless...

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Never used it and never will, but maybe we can make Twitch become a slur?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 14 hours ago

TBH people should talk about zionism and zionists much more.

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[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 78 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.

[–] ghurab@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

wow twitch, very brave!!

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.

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[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 137 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Zionists really captured that platform.

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[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 8 points 15 hours ago

Good thing I'm an anti-zionist then I suppose.

[–] 1984 39 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

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