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Includes lore like how a instance got it's name, how an instance got defederated, how an admin got doxxed, fedihistory etc

(New) This sub's intentions is to an archive/newspaper, as in preferably don't get into fights with each other or the ppl featured in the drama

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After being harassed in multiple discord channels by powermod FlyingSquid the news mod blackbeard has shuttered his account and moved to bluesky.

https://ibb.co/cY44MgF

https://lemmy.world/u/Blackbeard

"The recklessness with which people downvote polite disagreements reminds me of all the worst parts of Reddit, and it proves to me that this isn't the social media savior I'd hoped it would be, and is instead just another echo chamber. I hope eventually lemmy.world (and the fediverse more broadly) can grow out of that, but some of the behavior I've seen on the inside from both mods and admins doesn't really inspire much confidence for that kind of evolution in the short term. "

FlyingSquid is the same mod who has the power to siteban people from lemmy.world

Why does lemmy.world keep having issues with their powermods and admins? Why do powermods get the ability to siteban their enemies from the largest instance?

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 42 minutes ago

Aw, is that what you call it? I always thought that phallic names were related to the sound they made in a mouth, and I didn't know mushrooms made a noise at all. Good for you, short king. Slay.

discord 💀

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I’m pretty sure Squid can’t siteban from lemmy.world. He’s not an admin.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 18 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure how FlyingSquid is the bad guy here when Blackbeard is the one going around DMing Lemmy users off-platform about their reports. If you disagree with the reported content, then dismiss it. Blackbeard is the one who instigated this by opening a DM with FlyingSquid to begin with. Blackbeard doesn't understand how to be a mod, it seems.

This thread is garbage. OP is bad and should feel bad.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If you disagree with the reported content, then dismiss it.

This is what I don't get about "report abuse". It's entirely in their power to completely ignore reports they think are unnecessary or in bad faith. They do nothing unless the mod acts on them. I got an instance ban for reporting someone that instantly resorted to cursing and insults after a minor correction from me. Apparently someone else reported the same comment (shocking) and the admin decided it was "brigading" 🙄

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[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Whaaat FlyingSquid made a huge deal out of a simple disagreement and made it all about themselves unprompted and made it personal? I'm shocked--that he didn't mention his offspring and him moving to England. 🙄

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 31 points 7 hours ago (9 children)

If you continue to report opinions and simple disagreements as misinformation, we will take action against your account for report abuse, same as we would any account.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to interpret that as a threat to ban the account.

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 17 points 7 hours ago (12 children)

Blackbeard seems to be okay with Harris=Hitler and doesn't want an "echochamber" but is going to bluesky?

lol

lmao

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 28 points 8 hours ago (9 children)

Full disclosure, I tend to agree with FlyingSquid in the instance that kicked all of this off. I don't have a clear opinion of them as a mod, but personally I wish the LW mods would do a lot more about the "Kamala Harris = Hitler" type of misinformation that gets a free pass on a lot of LW.

FlyingSquid comes across as perfectly reasonable in this conversation. Their arguments that another mod thanked them for reporting stuff, that it's two reports over the course of two weeks which is hardly excessive, and then when the two people couldn't see eye to eye, they said they just wouldn't flag anything, sounds all perfectly reasonable and sensible. For some reason that wasn't okay, and the conversation got personal, with Blackbeard constantly posting these aggrieved attacks about how FlyingSquid was being childish if he didn't continue to report things in someone else's community occasionally, but never anything that the mods there thought was not worthy of removal. And then petulantly refusing to say something along the lines of, "Of course you're welcome to post there if you want" when asked repeatedly if it was okay for them to just post and participate still.

I haven't seen any Discord harassment, so maybe I missed something, but if this is what gets posted as justification for why FlyingSquid is a terrible moderator, I suspect that the "harassment" is more of the same. Maybe it's along the lines of "not saying exactly what I want you to say, or having conversation with other people where you say things I don't want you to say." People are allowed to disagree with each other over what is misinformation, or choose not to report content in someone else's community if they get some hostile responses when they do. Trying to order someone else around and then getting personally insulting with them when they politely tell you "No, I don't agree with how you see it," is ridiculous.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 15 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I’m not sure I’d agree that FS comes off as perfectly reasonable because I do get a pretty strong beg me to stay or I’ll leave vibe… but I am amused that OP here read that thread and decided that FS was the aggressor here.

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 20 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Why are Lemmy mods from .world coordinating on discord lmao

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

It's an easy way to work together. Yeah, Matrix would have made more sense.

They have other chat solutions as well, but not my place, so not my topic.

When you join, you can verify, and you're added to channels for your community/ies. If you're the first, they create the community channel automatically. Overall, a good idea.

I left the server, but for my own reasons unrelated to the mods/admins. Just needed to get rid of some discord servers.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 16 points 7 hours ago

you gotta coordinate somewhere, no?

but yeah, matrix would have been nicer.

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So who am I supposed to listen to?

Both of us.

Well that’s your problem right there. If a user (because in this case FlyingSquid was operating as a user) is misinterpreting the rules according to one moderator, but being encouraged to flag content by another moderator (tacit endorsement), the mod team needs to talk amongst themselves and get on the same page regarding the reports. Offering to leave was a bit dramatic, but the mod’s response of “just read the rules” was a lazy move that did nothing to get at the core problem of inconsistent encouragement/discouragement of reporting and clarification among the mod team.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

As stated in the screenshot, this happened in August. The team DID actually talk about this, and I put it to rest by hashing it out amongst both parties.

The person posting this is doing so WELL after the fact, out of context, and after resolution.

Neither side shared the screenshots with me, but the ones being shared proved they were shared by Blackbeard to someone. That's their prerogative, but I would have asked the other involved party prior to doing that.

It sucks that we lost a good mod, and that this event happened (again, resolved 2 months ago).

If the parties involved want, I can explain the entire situation. I'll DM both before I do that, though, as this wasn't my fight.

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