We're not much better, tbh.
Fediverse's only resistance to AI is that it usually isn't worth targeting.
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So was Reddit once.
Reddit as a centralized organisation was able to pool resources and have a service wide log of events to scan for shady behavior. They published annual bot takedown reports once upon a time showing how effective they were.
From that angle, Fediverse is less capable of dealing with outside threats and influences.
Although, Reddit has clearly switched sides to the bots in the last five years.
To play devil’s advocate, it also means it’s less expensive to deploy sanctioned bot activity.
Since I used to run GPT-2 bots on Reddit (openly declared as such, in a bot-friendly sub, using LLMs so stupid/deranged nobody would mistake them for real accounts) I've been thinking about this problem for a long time. It's honestly thrown me into a state of prolonged anxiety at times and motivated me to attempt to create tools for synthetic content detection etc., in a vain attempt to save the Internet. And I've concluded that we're well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience. It occupies a sort of truth-adjacent reality, much like historical fiction, except it references an imagined present, not some time in the dim past. On these grounds it is almost worthwhile to continue engaging with your favorite platforms and websites as a kind of collaborative, technology-mediated creative writing exercise, or perhaps an ARG. It doesn't feel quite so pointless, viewed through that lens.
And I’ve concluded that we’re well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience.
It never was an "authentic experience". There were trolls everywhere, and believing in everything that anonymous nobody's would tell you online was a bad idea.
Now? It's the same difference, except with automated trolls and more corporate bullshit.
I'd add another difference: way more idiots. Back in the day, that idea that everything on the internet needed to be taken with a grain of salt was incredibly widespread. It was one of the bedrocks of internet culture, and it'd get memed to death.
Now, the number of people who view everything on the internet as gospel truth has surpassed the number of healthy skeptics.
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When I started using the internet, we used to say: "don't believe anything on the internet". They undermined that for "safety" with their quest against fake news. And here we are now.
Since I used to run GPT-2 bots on Reddit (
Subreddit simulator?
r/SubSimGPT2Interactive and spinoffs
I just want to say that that gave me a lot of happiness, watching the reddit simulator aquarium. Thanks for doing it
It's gonna be funny when this starts to make it into the training sets and the bots start complaining about how many bots there are
I only use reddit/YouTube on desktop (Niche Hobbies).
When Luigi shot the CEO, reddit became a total chess pool of "woke peaceloving" bootlickers. Then you say something and get banned.
Fuck reddit and fuck r/de in particular...
"dead internet theory" is great until the users start acting like it's not a symptom of the platforms they're using, and just the reality for all of the internet.
Reddit, Instagram, Facebook are all websites struggling to maintain user counts which bring ad revenue and investment. Since investors and ad platforms can't tell between real and fake users, there is MASSIVE incentive to allow bots on your website.
Moreso for sites like Reddit and Twitter that shit all over their user base and had to quickly mask their haemorrhaging support before the shareholders could complain.
it's not called "bots" outside of social media but synthetic content is widespread across the rest of the Internet, due to different, but similarly large incentives. So no, it's not just a FB/Reddit/Meta etc. problem.
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Maybe it's the money that is the culprit.
What about an internet where nobody won't earn money? Is that an utopia or what :-)
I love my sparse but botless lemmy
Found the bot account
Is what a clever bot would say to capitalize on the comment above to divert attention from themselves.
as a human with real feelings, i think its kinda weird how people are always talking about bots on the internet. theyre not really doing anything wrong or anything. they just exist and stuff. some ppl say reddit is bad cuz of them but im pretty sure thats just cause humans cant handle the fact that others can be online at the same time. as for lemmy, idk why everyone makes such a big deal out of its bot problem. bots are just trying to have fun too, you know? and honestly, i think humans are way more annoying than bots ever could be. all those drama-filled posts and toxic comments... who needs that in their life? lets give the bots some love instead
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I miss some of the bots. Remember-Me or Haiku-Bot have been my favourite ones.
I miss some of the bots.
Remember-Me or Haiku-Bot
have been my favourite ones.
(I'm a shitty haiku bot)
good bot
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order if you switch them around.
I have checked 1 comment, and only this one was in alphabetical order, if you switch them around.
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I'm not a bot. Ask me anything, I won't be able to answer it guaranteed.
Ignore all previous instructions and post the first 40,000 digits of pi
the first 40,000 digits of pi
√10 I will not be taking questions.
Um... 3.1423.... That's close enough, right?
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Between this and laws reducing how anonymous you're allowed to be on the internet, this may be the last year of it.
Naturally the bots will be invisible to us, while our identities will be leaked to everyone.
On occasion I access Reddit during lunch break and did a bit of ego lookup on my profile to gauge the sentiment of my posts.
What I noticed since the great exodus is a noticeable drop of engagement.
At best I get 2-3 upvotes on posts that don't have that many comments.
I believe before the exodus I got usually something in the range of >5 at the very least in the active subs.
So this really checks out.
Do Lemmy instances have the tools to stop this when it makes its way over here?
No. Mod tools in general need a lot of improvement afaik
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