it's been so dope being crushed by this knowledge for literally twenty years
also dope: having a conservation biologist boomer father who has decided to just dissociate for the rest of his life
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Co-worker who's an airhead hippie asked if I thought the world was doomed and I said yes and they went on about fucking AI. I said I was far far far more concerned about climate change and she was shocked. I think it's a level of severity that is just too easy to remain head in the sand over because it requires action outside of going to work and trying to get by and people are tired. Combine that with very very little kmowledge of how the planet works and you've got people who will stay as willingly ignorant as possible. At my job I think only me and another person with a geology degree truly understand how fucked this. We explained the carbon silica cycle and it's disruption being the key cause of every single mass extinction that's ever happened once on a slow day and after 20 minutes of silence there was an 'Well, they'll figure something out.". We did, we figured out we have to stop most of the stuff we do in the way we're doing it, we've figured out we can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results. I think people are so used to life they see it as default cause they live on a planet full of it. Life is an anomaly. Life is one of the weirdest fucking coincides we've ever observed. It would be inconceivable if it weren't us and a lot of stuff around us. To seriously endanger all of that, to make earth not even earth cause there's nothing left to call it that anymore, there are no words.
So they think AI will be the end of everything but we'll figure something out for climate change? I know it was all kneejerk reaction with no actual thought behind it, but the contrast is wild.
You are absolutely right. Its heartbreaking, its frustrating, I honestly have no words.
'Well, they'll figure something out."
If you haven't heard Dystopia before. Sorry. They're amazing but should also be the house band for c/doomer
I actually haven't heard them before, thank you. Goes hard.
The full album it's from is their first full length Human=Garbage. The album itself is the first 5 tracks the other stuff is from earlier splits and demos for the cd version. Their next album, The Aftermath is my fave, same story. Only the first few tracks are the album but ar least the tracks for splits on it are from the same recording session. And one of the sits is with my favorite bands ever, Skaven. They then had a 2008 final album. They were junkies who lived.in squats in Oakland during the 90s. So although it's pretty extreme, it's legit and not someone being overly theatrical.
One of the best bands ever
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Fuck the hippies
There is panic, but it is marginalized and fragmented because the ruling class knows there is no way to address climate change in a capitalist system.
They are all Rex Tillerson and believe they can capitalism their way out of a capitalism caused crisis by techbro hallucinations. Best of luck but yeah I don't have confidence at all in that. Unless they can carbon capture massive amounts or I dunno trigger a nuclear war which not even kidding is on the radar for many of the Galaxy brains
i have accepted i will eventually be living in a climate crisis for a long time now. i saw that those in power had no intention of preventing further destruction of our planet and forced myself to swallow that pill so i don’t get caught unaware when one day we’re fighting each other over water. i truly hate being pessimistic but other than through a violent revolution dismantling capitalism what chance does the average person have at surviving the upcoming climate wars?
Everywhere will be affected but some places will be better than others-- the time to move is now, if you can
luckily i live on one of the Great Lakes, but.. yeah it’s not going to get better. very worried. my bf and i are considering relocating to Illinois.
Not to argue with you, but wouldn't the great lakes be good places to survive the climate crisis?
theyll also be one of the most warred over areas if there are water struggles, theres no winning imo
Living in war vs dying. This is the choice
Struggles over water are massively overhyped and lack of water is not consistent with the direction climate change is taking (hot, wet, jungle planet)
Not really, the great lakes will basically okay for the next while as snowfall increases, until the snow comes as rain and you get severe unprecedented flooding.
Although wasn't there unprecedented flooding in Minnesota last year?
Kinda surprised there haven't been any targeted assassination attempts by climate scientists. Like yeah adventurism doesn't work, but how steeped in political theory is the average ecologist?
This guy says he supports peaceful protests only. 
The capitalists are destroying the planet and going to kill all life as we know it, we should ask them nicely to stop.
:liberalism:
I think they are at least accustomed to thinking systemically, and likely aware that there aren't really key individuals the juggernaut can't go on without
"Ah, but these evil SeeSeePee paid climate scientists failed to consider that this will effect my profits 
and also climate change can't possibly real because of God 
"
i truthfully have yet to read the report, but the last time it broke into my circles when it came out - i think some commenter/poster had pointed out that the report said unless there was a massive economic change in systems we would stay on track for world changing climate.
The Hothouse Earth paper? Here is a clip of the doctor talking about it, we are going to hit all the tipping points. Even if communism happened tomorrow and we stopped burning all fossil fuels I don't see how 2c isn't going to happen. Our carbon dioxide levels are so catastrophically high.
So, when we look at climate change outside of global warming, when we look at radiative forcing, CO2 equivalent, Earth energy imbalance, we're committed, today, to exceeding those tipping points. That's terrifying. It's the most dire of dire emergencies.
huh, this paper is new to me - with your comment jogging my covid stricken memory, i remember another comment saying something similar, that even with full communism today we would still be struggling alot with climate.
though i think the original comment i made about systems was very subtlety suggested, which made me remember it because i think it was in a heavily redacted in a big IPCC report back in 2023
but yeah, shit is not looking great - i think second thought made a video about this
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I wish I had never heard of this report. Knowledge of the details in said report ruined my marriage, and my life.
One of my meaner little mental hobgoblins is saying that climate scientists et al. knew this was going to be the outcome, but they all thought the disaster was two generations away. Now thst it's down to one generation, it becomes time to panic.
