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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

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    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

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    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

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Kentucky dispatchers repeatedly told police officers the address of a house they were supposed to raid over an alleged stolen Weed Eater, only for the cops to raid the wrong home and kill the man inside.

But the man who police say admitted to stealing the Weed Eater from a home of a local judge had already been in custody prior to the deadly raid that took place minutes before midnight last month, according to WLEX. That man told police he had stored the stolen Weed Eater at a home at 489 Vanzant Road which is a rural area outside of London city limits.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What the fuck does a stolen weed eater require a home raid? Like WTF.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

A weed eater stolen from a judges home. Judges and cops worship each other. To cops its like someone stole god's weed eater.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Cops like to charge others for extra crimes when they eff something up, so now they will charge the guy who stole the weed eater from the judge with murder. And Kentucky has capital punishment...

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The one part I as a non-American don't understand about this is: Is America not supposed to be a free country? Why the hell do you have people who can kill anyone with no repercussions? What the hell happened to the rule of law? And, more importantly, why the actual fuck is the whole country not up in arms over this?

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Man, RATM had it figured out in 1992. 😬

Now I got no patience

So sick of complacence

With the D, the E, the F, the I, the A, the N, the C, the E

Mind of a revolutionary, so clear the lane

The finger to the land of the chains

What? The "land of the free"?

Whoever told you that is your enemy

I wish it hadn't taken 30 more years before I realized how right they were.

Brother Ali says it even better:

They keep sayin' we're free

But we're all just loose

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We were never a free country in any sense like you're describing. That'd just our own internal propaganda.

I agree with your last statement. There are countless reasons I can't understand why people aren't burning this country to the ground. Especially those further in poverty and struggling to just get by.

I still am shocked Occupy Wall Street wasn't more violent. It probably needed to be.

[–] Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

The reason we haven't burt it down is because the ones in power are really good at making the ignorant masses hate each other. Even during covid people were pissed off that unemployed people were getting a little extra help, when business owners were raking in PPE loans. Instead of focusing that anger where it really belongs. Half the country hates minorities and trans people, the other half hate maga. When instead, we should all be focusing on the bezos and musks and guillotines.

[–] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This happened in a state where the majority of residents (especially in these rural areas) feel everyone should be armed for protection. They are also overwhelmingly in favor of aggressive police tactics so when I see a rural man defending himself and being shot for it by police I can't help but sigh. I mean, anyone with half a brain could see these situations coming. Do we really need to use swat teams for non violent property crimes?

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

He might have been armed with a weed eater!

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

"Oh don't like the cops? I guess the next time you're in trouble you'll call a crackhead?"

That does seem to have a better survival rate

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If given the option of where my tax money would go, I'd give crackheads a try at this point, yes.

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[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

I know 3 crackheads right now that would handle things with a much cooler head than the police here. And that is not an exaggeration.

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 4 days ago (6 children)

They broke into his house, and he got a gun out. Which is one of the few times it is reasonable to brandish a weapon... And they use that as justification to kill him. Over a weed eater.

The police don't give a shit if someone steals your catalytic converter, your whole car, or all of your tools. But I guess if you're a judge they will kill for your weed eater.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 38 points 4 days ago

It was stolen from a judge. So the police treated it as important. You know, the same as when a rich person is harmed

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

What's it's matter about the address. We are talking about a weed eater. Chill the fuck out.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Ah, but the weed eater belonged to a judge. It wasn’t because he stole something valuable; It was because he stole from someone important.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

He didn't steal anything they had the thief. It was a recovery operation. You know it's dangerous getting a weed eater from someone who doesn't know they have it.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ok, Judge, chill the fuck out. It's a fuckin weed eater you psycho.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Why did they even do anything? Whenever something is stolen from I get told there is nothing they can do but take a report.

[–] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago

I'm sure "judges weed eater" had nothing to do with the enhanced police response. /s

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, police are unwilling to do anything about vandalism in my neighborhood, smashed windows on homes and cars, 20+ smashed windows, everyone knows exactly who is doing it to the kid who goes around trying to jump kids in the area half their size and has been caught and witnesses red handed multiple times, ''aww jeez guys, looks like.. there's nothing we can do...'' useless.

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[–] TheFin@leminal.space 10 points 3 days ago

wtf but hey it was swiped from a judge. what a sad story

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 127 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Check to see if there's a development looking to buy all the land in that area. You know. Like the last time police did this, and it got buried for years until public outcry made the legal system reluctantly look into and find out there were very rich people who wanted the home of Brianna Taylor, and got it for what $1.00 after she was murdered in her bed by a cop who snuck behind the house to her bedroom and opened fire.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I found an article verifying the price, but do you have a source that connects the rest of the dots? I'm shocked (not that shocked) this isn't on screaming front page headlines

[–] kiterios@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Good stuff, key point from the BI article:

Mary Ellen Wiederwohl, head of the city's economic development foundation Louisville Forward, the city's economic development organization, told local news channel Wave 3 that the updated lawsuit "is a gross mischaracterization of the project," and said that the foundation had worked with community organizations throughout. She added that the foundation is discussing the creation of a community land trust "to ensure investment without displacement."

And yet I found more using a search of "Place Based Investigations " as the main keyword: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/metro-government/2020/07/24/breonna-taylor-shooting-what-know-police-unit-linked-case/5443452002/

it was revealed that the "no-knock" warrant police used to force their way into Taylor's apartment, leading to her death, was obtained by a member of the Place-Based Investigative team.

The dots are connected enough for me. PBI obtained the no-knock, likely on Wiederwohl's initiative. Further lead: https://www.acceleratorforamerica.org/who-we-are/

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[–] mantra@lemmy.zip 109 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Why the fuck do they need to raid any house for a fucking weed eater!? That is serious small time shit.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago

And the thief was already in custody. He had “stored” the weed eater at the address they were supposed to be searching (er, raiding), meaning whoever would have been present there wasn’t even the thief.

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe because it was a judge's weed eater

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 days ago

Because we train cops to kill and give them military surplus and they're just itching to use it.

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This dude got executed by a death squad.

[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Either the cops are incredibly competent (likely) or they intentionally raided the wrong home as an excuse to kill this man, perhaps under judges orders.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Either the cops are incredibly competent (likely)

did you mean to say incompetent? (genuine question)

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[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

When you can't tell if police killed someone through staggering incompetence or deliberate malice... something is fundamentally wrong.

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (5 children)

There is more to this story that we will never know. You raid a home over a stolen fucking weed eater. Gross abuse of power by someone

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, it's right there in the story. The weed eater belonged to a judge, so obviously someone's gonna pay.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Death penalty for the cops, life in prison for the judge?

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 16 points 4 days ago

Even if it was the correct home. They killed the guy over a fucking weed eater. Even if he'd been violent back off and fucking let things cool down. Grab him when he goes for groceries or something. Fuck.

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[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

stealing the Weed Eater from a home of a local judge

Aha, so that's why they suddenly give a shit about property theft, because it was from a member of their little club.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago

This is a repeat post, so I'll repeat one of my replies partially: I wouldn’t be surprised if a suddenly vacant lot wouldn’t suddenly be auctioned off to a cop’s relative in areas with a high predominance of this. Read up on civil asset forfeiture as well. In some places, cops are basically legalized mafias.

[–] fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So police get to kill anyone over anything with the word 'weed' now? I can't think of any other reason to raid the home for a fucking $300 item.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

So they wanted to kill this man and decided to use this flimsy excuse? I mean WTF?

[–] KnowledgeableNip@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Is this the only profession that lets you make consistent fatal errors with impunity? I really can't think of another.

[–] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

It sounds like the judge and police were working together to execute someone. I really can't tell incompetence from pure evil anymore.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 days ago
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