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Oh look on the picture: the first one is corporate scum, the second one is also corporate scum and somehow the third one is also corporate scum
well damn. I was considering a Ford Maverick because my car is old and is having problems. guess I'll look elsewhere. No new Toyota either.
Amazon
Meta
McDonald’s
Walmart
Molson coors
Ford motor
John Deere
Lowes
Harley Davidson
Brown Forman
Tractor supply
Toyota
Cool, new reply to Amazon & Meta recruiters.
You reply to Amazon recruiters? The last email I got wanted me to move across the country and go to the office. I almost replied hahahahahhaha but decided it was more professional not to reply at all
The most serious discussions I've heard about adjusting comp and benefits have been around hiring and retention, so I figure turning down recruiters may be my best chance to affect practices.
I can't think of another time in history where we got a new president then all of a sudden all these companies come out and change their policies so quickly. It's weird it's over social issues too
It's almost like.... They never cared in the first place. I don't know why so many people are shocked. They only ever cared about money. The millisecond they were no longer at risk of losing capitol for not having a thing of course they were all gonna drop it.
It’s all money. They change their policies to suit their shareholders. The shareholders could not care less that they are discriminating against minority groups.
Fuck all of this. I hope every CEO gets what is coming to them-Painfully, broadcasted live.
Ok. Not sure it matters. Those programs were largely symbolic anyway.
Is there any real data suggesting they had any positive effect on anything?
While not exactly the same thing as DEI programs, affirmative action programs have a history of efficacy studies that demonstrate positive (if only moderately so) results. However, there’s also solid research that points to backlash effects and criticisms of “positive discrimination.” In other words, while affirmative action programs do somewhat accomplish their goals of helping minority groups achieve, they come at the cost of intentionally discriminating against majority groups (mainly Whites), which understandably creates antipathy towards them from the majority groups. Also, despite some people’s claims that these programs don’t give slots to minority candidates with weaker test scores, resumes, etc, actual examinations of them have shown that this is not actually the case in practice, and that companies and schools have given preference for weaker scoring minority candidates in order to create the public image of being more diverse.
Basically, affirmative action is a mixed bag and I suspect DEI programs are similarly so. The overall net effect may still be positive though, if only slightly.
Personally, I think a better strategy would be to improve education systems for poor communities. Instead of focusing on race directly, focus on improving outcomes for the poor. Due to overlaps in racial and economic variables, you’ll wind up helping racial minorities while avoiding the criticism of engaging in “positive discrimination.” Plus, fixing the pipeline problem early on is a more efficient approach, since it focuses on preventing people from failing early on rather than trying to fix their failures later on.
As a trans person, I can tell you that it's generally pretty huge to see it in the mission statement, but followthrough and clearly outlined internal policy is priceless.
How about we hire and promote people who are correct for the job, regardless of their gender or race?
Because the people who are 'correct' for the job always end up being white guys who are direct relatives of someone in management
Fully agree in an ideal world.
But in practice, if men, for example, are the only people hired, they tend to be the only people who get experience, making them always the most qualified for the job.
Extra Facts: For jobs behind the camera, there are something like, only 13% of women employed in the film industry. Not all industries are equal so your through fits really well in some places and less so in others.
For jobs behind the camera, there are something like, only 13% of women employed in the film industry.
That doesn't necessarily imply sexism at all, note. If it turns out women are just 6 times less likely than men to want to have these jobs, then this percentage would be 13% in a perfect non-sexist world. (Though 13% is concerningly low; the percentage of women that go into computer science is around 20-25% and that's one of the strongest effects. Plausibly the remaining 1.5-2x difference here is due to sexism; I can buy filmmaking being one of the most sexist industries).
I can’t speak for the whole industry, but I’m a person who wanted to make movies and started out as a film major. When you walk into a room as a student and it’s all men, you want to quit because you feel like you aren’t supposed to be there.
As a developer now, I still feel this way, but I’m a grown up now and I just ignore that feeling.
I think women want to do these jobs but they feel like they aren’t allowed to, or are directly told they aren’t allowed to.
13% is the average of all behind the camera jobs. Composers, cinematographers, writers, directors. There are more women in writing positions and there are very few female composers.
Geena Davis Institute and Women in Film if it’s something you’d like to know about.
Oh also, Geena Davis Institute does a lot of great research on how men and boys are portrayed in film too. It’s not just about women’s problems.
Sorry, I remember one more thing (I used to give a talk about equality in media but it’s been awhile).
Before films needed financing and big budgets, women dominated the film industry and were pioneers. Women ran the silent film industry.
https://www.shondaland.com/watch/a29216115/women-old-hollywood-power/
If it turns out women are just 6 times less likely than men to want to have these jobs,
Suggesting that women don't want to work in a fully bro-culture environment isn't really the best arguement you could make.
DEI didn't force anyone to hire anybody
If a corporation wants free money then they can staff a diverse workforce. It's literally always been a choice.
Only the idiots are convinced this is a real issue at all. It's a distraction from actual problems in the world that negativity effect people.
DEI laws were required to be created during integration because non whites were being denied loans, jobs, and houses based on race, those are the real DEI laws they want to repeal along side diversity subsidies.
BTW incentivizing diversity measurably improves the wealth/income gap between whites/non whites today and helps upward mobility, which is why they still exist.
As long as you're on board with systemic racism, sure. DEI programs were created to address historic discrimination against minorities.
You know who hasn’t abolished DEI efforts yet and asked shareholders to vote against abandoning them? Apple. And historically Apple tends to beat the market. So imma go ahead and make a the wild statement that these companies will eat a bag of dicks in 10 years and end up adopting DEI under another name while Apple stays the course.
I do think that badly implemented DEI is worse than no DEI and many orgs implemented it badly so this could be a net positive in the end.
Yes, but Apple has also built their empire on horrible practices in China and by exploiting tax loopholes to the point where they regularly pay zero taxes. I'm not trying to be a purist here—I have an iPhone and an Apple Watch—but I don't think their retainment of DEI programs should be construed as a moral choice; Apple products are largely purchased by liberals, so they have a public image to mind if they're going to avoid reducing sales by pissing off their main customer market.
I would argue that Apple has actually done more to increase the quality of working conditions in China than any other company. Is it still a horrible environment, yes, but without Apple I’m not sure that it would have been better.
I don’t find a problem with exploiting tax loopholes because 9/10 times the loopholes are there by design, this is something to take up with the IRS and the government, because corporations HAVE to take advantage of said loopholes to stay competitive.
But to address directly your comment, I didn’t say that them retaining DEI was a moral choice. I believe it was a business decision, which is why I framed it as them historically beating the market while these firms don’t. Apple has clearly seen the value of DEI in their revenue and operations, otherwise they would be cutting the program real quick.
Tim Apple donated to the guy who wants to make DEI illegal though, so if Apple does stay the course, I just hope it ends up being under someone else's leadership.