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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 57 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Wait until you see the survey of their teachers.

Love it or hate it (I hate it) … humanity entered a new era with this shit. It’s everywhere and most want it. Like plastic or nuclear radiation or fire or metal work … all the things that mark a point in time in the geological record … AI created content now marks the beginning of this era.

It may well simply mark the beginning of the 3rd Millennium. The 1900s are now dead and we’re on new shores.

I’m still disturbed by how little people think about ethically and structurally. All I’m seeing is consumption and tech hype.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems like a natural byproduct of a culture based entirely on treats and instant gratification

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pushback is futile at this point. My boss uses it in every time in his quest to climb higher up on the career ladder and it’s making me want to quit because what the fuck is the point of all this shit if thinking is moot

[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago

Some dude on my team has interrupted engineering decision meetings multiple times when we’re trying to reason through the architecture of something to give his “input”, which is “here’s something I prompted ChatGPT for”.

If you thought software was shitty and getting shittier over the last 15 years, have I got a fun future full of broken and buggy systems for you!

[–] miz@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

welcome to Costco, I love you

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’m still disturbed by how little people think about it ethically and structurally.

As pessimistic as I am - I would have never thought the public's reaction to a tech-related Pandora's box situation is "Ethical and other problems? Blah blah blah. Open it! And there's gotta be more than one box right? Open them all! Why wait?"

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

Yep. Just the other day someone dumped an AI response into chat out of nowhere. When I said I didn’t want to call it out as it might have been rude to point out they weren’t capable of knowing that stuff … their reply was that it’s everywhere now, so it couldn’t be rude.

And they’re likely right. But my god it shocked me.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Jesus. I may complain about living in a rural backwater at times but at least people are genuine in their interactions and not using AI for everything

[–] regul@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

As soon as they start charging for it, folks will stop using it as much.

It's just the same tech cycle as ever: give it out for free or very cheaply until you think people are dependent on it, then jack up the price.

Think Uber, Instacart, Netflix, things of this nature.

What would be nice is if entire nations weren't staking their futures on it.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Those examples aren't great since people just keep using them despite the cost

[–] regul@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Much fewer than at their peak and continuing to decline in most cases.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Yes, but the uptake of this feels categorically different, like some new consumerism has been unlocked, and of course Streaming and under are still here aren’t they.

All the teens I work this openly admit to doing this.

I'm also in college right now and there was this international student I was in class with last semester who straight up could not speak English, and I saw him using AI all the time. Last day of class he did a presentation that was totally incoherent cuz it was clearly written by ChatGPT.

[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Habitual use of GPS negatively impacts spatial memory during self-guided navigation

Spatial memory critically relies on the hippocampus and people who use these strategies have greater fMRI BOLD activity and greater grey matter in the hippocampus. Our findings suggest that people with greater GPS habits may rely less on their hippocampus for navigation, as they exhibit a reduced use of spatial memory strategies, reduced cognitive mapping abilities, reduced landmark encoding, and as they have more difficulty learning navigational information. This is consistent with a recent study by Spiers’ group, in which participants who were given instructions on where to turn at decision points while navigating in a film simulation, akin to using GPS, exhibited less fMRI BOLD activity in the hippocampus than when participants self-guided and had to make decisions unaided

I’m so stoked for that to happen to the prefrontal cortex in our ChatGPT society dude, it’s gonna be so rad

[–] SovietBeerTruckOperator@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm honestly getting close to thinking AnPrims have a point

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

I'm disabled and would have died shortly after birth without modern medicine and even I'm almost there too

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Nah they still suck

[–] glans@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A conversation I had a long time ago:

Me: "Don't you worry that as a diabetic, you'd die under your ideal society?"

Anarcho-primivist: "Yeah it's a concern of course. I think I could probably inject insulin using a hollowed out thorn."

Many problems here which I won't get into. But it was the last moment I could ever take any of them seriously.

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago

That response warrants like nothing, maybe a lol, lmao

[–] glans@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

I have 2 conflicting:

  1. Before maps in cell phones I was lost all the time. Even in places I know well, I can still get lost. I used to carry a paper map around with me absolutely everywhere even after I lived somewhere for 10 years. I can still get lost easily but with a phone map I am at least able to locate where I am. I don't use it much until I actually become lost, then I am glad I have it. I do not think I have gotten any worse at navigation.

  2. The other day I was on the bus and I was snooping into the windows of the cars in the other lanes. I noticed that virtually all of them had the GPS up on a phone mount. It was about 5pm on a weekday, probably everyone commuting from work. Just picked up the kids. Whatever. Going home. Going the same way they go every day. Even though I can get lost easily and in places I know, even I am not so helpless that I just have it up by default all of the time, telling me how to go down a main road that I take daily.

True, but without GPS i'd literqlly never get anywhere

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I went to a technical college recently, and I feel like pretty much everyone but me used chatGPT for every short answer or essay question. And not like... Bouncing back and forth (or bypassing industrial copyrights. idk why Australian Standards are paywalled), but literally just asking it and copying and pasting. And then watching multiple arguments between the class and the lecturers about how that's what they'd be doing in industry (rather than, say, which job not existing because management doesn't need to hire people to put things into chatGPT).

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

lol incomprehensible how that isn’t a glaring indictment of “industry” in general

Bullshit work just keeps getting increasingly more bullshit and helps no one but the line. The mask is basically completely off at this point

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

literacy rate is about to go below 50%

[–] combat_doomerism@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

im skeptical that homework helps the literacy rate

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Probably not, but at the same time, for many people, high school is when they're challenged the most in their lives when it comes to literary works. It's sad, but there are many such cases.

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

It must be much higher than that

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I know people who have outsourced basic literacy to AI. Like they’re too lazy to actually read through the results page on google so they have ChatGPT summarize it for them. They won’t look for an actual recipe but ask ChatGPT to make one for them.

Americans hate thinking.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

i-love-not-thinking

But seriously everything has to be a "hack" or a "shortcut" or whatever and that's not good. The way capitalism creates an urgency in all things in order to monetize it has gotta be bad for our brains.

Of course. It's a widely available natural language prompt with an easily verifiable right answer. People use LLMs for homework because they are good at homework because it's easy training data

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

retvrn to 1 on 1 exams.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As far as the horrifying shit I’ve seen from LLMs. I have to let this slide so long as it’s not forced on anyone. Hell, Google’s AI crap would be a lot more tolerable if there was a third button right next to “I’m feeling lucky” that just said “Try Gemini today!”

Like if I can ask a specific question and have a concept explained to me. Cool! Now it’s just a matter of making that more environmentally friendly.

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think ChatGPT is a good tool for studying, similar to how saying things aloud/writing things out is a good tool for studying because it forces you to think, except with ChatGPT you can have a back and forth. Verifying the output for truth also seems like a good exercise for learning (as long as you don't use ChatGPT to verify itself)

The issue I see is you need to have some base of critical thinking skills and general knowledge to work from in order to get the most out of ChatGPT and I doubt most students are at that level. I don't even consider myself at that level. I assume the worst and students are just taking the output and rewording it.

If we collectively agree ChatGPT is here to stay, then maybe we ought to teach how to use it in a productive way that doesn't dumb us down. I know this isn't a well-defined thing though but probably it would be worth researching. We live under capitalism though so the odds of that happening are probably next to none, but I'm thinking about what we should do if ChatGPT existed under a different system.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Of course ChatGPT isn't inherently evil. It's a tool. The issue is that we, as a society, are nowhere close to the level of social progress that is required to use these tools in a way that doesn't result in more advanced forms of oppression or ignorance.

For me, the problem isn't even one of vagaries of social dynamics and use. The problem is that ChatGPT is ultimately just a more complex, more energy inefficient, search engine. That, on it's own, isn't evil, just stupid, but in the context of a global climate crisis driven by energy usage, it becomes evil. In this context, there is very much no discernable ethical use for this technology.

Perhaps under a clean energy economy, an argument could be made for it's use, but even then, why? For what actual purpose does this serve other than as an intellectual exercise?

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

It definitely doesn't warrant its cost and at this point just feels like a tech demo that no one can figure out how to monetize effectively. As well, the energy costs are just absurd for the purpose it serves.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don’t see any issue with using it at all as a tool to help studying, the problem is when students just have it do their homework for them.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

The problem is the euphemism here. I can't imagine more than a tenth of the people who use LLMs when doing their homework are being restrained and not copying the output, i.e. using it to help. And part of the issue for that is that you'd have to be stupid not to just use the output directly if you know how to avoid getting caught. Only students that value learning for its own sake will ever bother using these tools appropriately and capitalism has only ever taught children that education is a means to an end, getting hired, so there's only more cheating ahead.

[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Being honest, I’ve found it helpful for rewording complex ideas into simpler language so i can get another perspective on books I’m reading, or give me references/jumping off points for more reading. The idea of an interactive book is quite cool, even if uttterly unreliable thanks to the architecture of LLMs inevitably leading to hallucinations (a misleading term - everything is a hallucination).

But our ignorant, short term, profit driven culture means that I’m a fucking oddity for doing that and not just using it to replace thinking.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

The future of the developed world isn’t looking good. Perhaps their downfall really will be their own undoing. Now hopefully the developing world doesn’t fall into the usual trend of aping whatever the developed world is doing and import this as well.

[–] combat_doomerism@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

tbh this is one of those instances im not too worried. I fucking hated homework more than anything as a kid, and did basically whatever i could to avoid it, i would calculate how many assignments i could skip or leave half undone etc. while still maintaining an A. honestly not sure if i would have even used chatgpt because it would have meant copying the answers down lol. also as a sidenote i think thats why math always used to be my favorite class, the homework would only be worth 10% of the grade so i could basically ignore them and just do a few here and there during class and be good lol

all that to say i think homework 99% of the time is very dumb and useless and im glad kids are using the latest and greatest tech to get around doing it lol. if you want kids to learn discipline or smthing like that it should be part of an extracurricular like sports or music or something

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

26% is actually reassuring. Realistically it means a few dumbasses will come off as smart until they reach a state of life that requires critical thinking but otherwise this is part of the course of all new technologies (ecological catastrophe aside)