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[–] Comrade_Spood@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

I am a huge Warhammer 40k fan and I once met someone who was also a 40k fan. Dude said he played Imperium cause he was (and he said this with zero irony) a "human supremacist." Genuinely though the Imperium were good guys. I feel like it's needless to say, but I stopped talking to him.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 356 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you ask someone if they are Nazis, and their answer is to get confused and ask about the premise of the question, there is about a 90% chance they are Nazis. Non-Nazis will say, "What? No, definitely not."

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 141 points 1 week ago

I would also accept "did you just call me a fucking nazi?"

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If you ask someone who isn't a Nazi if they're a Nazi out of nowhere then confusion seems pretty valid. If there's a premise to it that they understand (by being Nazis or acting like ones) you'd get less genuine confusion.

E: I wasn't talking about the specific case in OP but in general

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 week ago (34 children)

If the context is 40k, definitely not an unexpected question.

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[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Yeah but even if there's some initial confusion, most normal people will get to a clear negative answer pretty quickly.

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[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Meh depends on the setting. My partner and I are organizing smaller concerts from time to time. If we are about to book an unknown band sooner or later we have to ask the Nazi question.

The setting here feels similar.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

This is the answer right here.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbf, if someone asked to join my discord server and asked if we're Nazis I would also ask for further clarification. Not because there's a chance we might be Nazis but because it's an odd question.

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Non-Nazis will say, "What?

This is also 'getting confused', to be fair, lol.

I get the impression that even those agreeing with the Nazi-like stuff are not literally self-identifying as "Nazi", so I think you'll get that initial "huh" reaction regardless.

Might be better to ask a more specific telltale question.

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[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 188 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Always amazing when people don't get satire.

My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 88 points 1 week ago (14 children)

How?

That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 123 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So did The Boys and Helldiver's 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it's not as funny anymore.

Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

I stopped watching after season 2 because I couldn't stand the lack of subtlety - despite loving the original comic which is... not subtle at all.

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (13 children)

So, I have read and been told this many times before. Some times I will rewatch the movie to try and see that narrative. And I'll admit, I'm and idiot. But I can't get past the idea of: Bugs are just icky, no matter the size. Remove at all costs.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Except they aren't bugs in your home, they're isolated to their own planet already.

Plus, consider the justification for the attack;

"the bugs attacked Earth first"

REALLY?

Consider the amount of maths and physics knowledge for us to get to our own moon. We have to calculate the trajectory of our own moon, the spin of the Earth, gravity, etc.

Now, in the movie, apparently the bugs bombed Earth.

FUCKING HOW. They exist outside our solar system. The level of maths for this is impossible without computers.

Not only have you got all the complications we had for a celestial body which was closest to us, but our sun has its own orbit within the milky way.

The narrative that the bugs attacked Earth first was a false flag. It was almost certainly just a meteor which couldn't be stopped, which gave someone a reason to keep the perpetual motion machine of Fascism alive.

Without a common enemy, Fascism turns inwards.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The film is so on the nose, that in the end they come out with actual nazi uniforms and child soldiers and people still didn't get it.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Well, the book is... The movie tho, yeah Paul Verhoeven has opinions about fascists. 😂

His commentary on that film is truly one of the better commentary tracks I've ever listened to.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I was briefly into 40k in the 00s, but once the 2010s started I slowly started getting an ick feeling from it but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

specifically, I was still cool with most of the lore, but the Imperium fanboys were getting to be unfun to be around. As I got older and wised up, I figured out around the same time many others did, that these same people just had a fascism fetish in general.

so with all that said.

Death to the false emperor Let the galaxy burn BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[–] mrslt@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As someone who likes the Space Marines, but hates Nazis and understands that Warhammer 40k is satire, I'm greatly saddened by the Fascism fan boys in the community.

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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I also played around the same time as you, but by total chance almost our entire group played xenos. I was craftworlds and harlequins, there was a necron player, a tau player, a tyranids player, and an orks player. We had one space marine player, I had a very small grey knights army, the necron guy had a small guard army, and a couple of chaos players. It was quite jarring to see how much GW and the hobby at large focussed on the Imperium

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[–] Xyre@lemmus.org 91 points 1 week ago (7 children)

So, uh, where's the diagram?

[–] smb@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago

but obviously a diagram doesn't help the willingly blind ;-)

but curious to see the slides too.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

If you know what the Imperium is about, it isn't surprising for neo-nazis to play out their fantasies that way.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They only people I know who play 40k are obsessed with Orks. Dunno what kind of person that makes them, but at least they aren't nazis.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It might be the same phenomenon as bimbofication / puppygirl stuff, where one longs to be released from the responsibility of thinking

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

where one longs to be released from the responsibility of thinking

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[–] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

Also known as "Waaaaaaagh"

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[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

The lore around 40k Orks is hilarious

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The good groups are the ones who are very interested in fantasy Nazis ironically.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If I play the theo-fascists then my total incompetence at strategy makes them look bad

[–] Vladkar@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If strapping tank treads to a church isn't peak military competence, I don't know what is.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's quite simple really.

If they play the Death Korps of Krieg, who look like this they're probably really nice people.

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[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 28 points 1 week ago

> join good group

> look inside

> neo-nazis

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Nanowith@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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