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    [–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Windows: Has a complex and graceful shutdown process to make sure programs never close if there's a problem with them and your computer just stalls on shutdown until you hold down the power button and completely void out the purpose of the graceful shutdown.

    [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Ever tell a pc to shut down and come after work and it's still waiting for click a box.

    [–] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

    Ever? Too many times. When I think I've told Windows Update "yes, do all the shit, yes it's fine, yes I'm sure, yes you can do it, yes I really want you to do it, yes I'm sure I really want you to, yes I'm sure I'm sure, yes for the umpteenth fucking time" and switched off my monitor to go home for the weekend, the number of times I've come in on a Monday morning just to find I have to click "yes" yet again then have to sit there watching it grind out its updates.

    I just wish they'd add a checkbox, off by default, that says "yes you can do it all, just stop asking stupid fucking questions" that I can click and go home. But for some reason Microwank insist I have to sit there watching that fucking update percentage creep up then endlessly sit at "100% all is done, please wait" for no reason whatsoever.

    Oh yeah and there always seem to be way more reboots needed when BitLocker is active. I'm sure 1 reboot is the norm with occasional 2's. But with BL it's usually 5-6 reboots.

    I used to work at a place where MS would raise tickets with us and I always wanted to give them the WU treatment. But professionalism always got in the way of "This ticket is 100% complete, you must close and reopen it to continue".

    [–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

    Closing correctly means the program stops NOW

    [–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

    sudo reboot, that way the gui gets to die in a fire, too!

    [–] sockpuppetsociety@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    kill commands make one feel like a Caesar

    et tu, Sudo?

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    [–] penfore@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    I've never seen anything graceful in windows

    [–] oo1@lemmings.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Windows: I refuse to shut down because of a, b , c

    Me: But I already clos. . .

    Windows: No you didnt't, stop lying!

    Me : Well, I pressed the X and the window dissappeared.

    Windows: Lol, noob. Did you never even heard of a task managers?

    [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    windows: "Can't shut down because of the 'Cant shut down' notice"

    me: "but..."

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

    "Mmm, that didn't work, try again later I guess? Just stop bothering me with your petty needs and get back to generating monetizable data that I can harvest."

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    [–] squinky@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    If your code can’t handle a sig9 then your code is weak

    [–] Hupf@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    sig 9 or sig 9mm - that's the question here

    [–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.tech 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    kill $SIGSAUER

    [–] raltoid@lemmy.world 322 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (17 children)
    1. Linux normally does a nice shutdown as well, unless you force it.

    2. You can force it on windows if you really want.

    I'm so tired of linux memes posted/made by people who don't know much about windows or linux.

    [–] LouSlash@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    You can force it on windows if you really want.

    Please elaborate

    [–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 126 points 3 days ago (28 children)

    Shutdown.exe -r -t 00 -f

    Fast , no mucking around with graceful exiting of stuff. Kicks it in the teefs

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    [–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

    Yeah this is more of a situation where because more applications are built for windows you're more likely to encounter poor quality application level software on windows than on Linux. Especially if you stay within the walled garden that most distros provide.

    People see a pattern with having a lot more problems with applications on windows than they do on linux and wrongly assume it's because of the OS.

    It's really silly since there's plenty of real bullshit going on with windows people could meme about. There's no need to make up shit about windows being bad at something it actually does ok with.

    [–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    Absolutely, if people agree or not, the core windows is still a pretty powerful operating system. Its sad that they are ruining it by adding crap into it.

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    [–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 88 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Linux does give every application time to shut down correctly, but unlike windows, it won't wait for ages until every process is down. Linux WILL shut down in a certain timeframe, whereas windows waits for years if necessary. In my old job, we all had to use windows and I had times where I clicked shut down, turned off my monitor, grabbed my stuff, left and in the next morning, the PC was still on because Notepad refused to just close lmao.

    [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    That is what infuriates me so much. Instead of just killing the process after 5 mins of waiting it just cancels the shutdown. Like fuck off with that shit.

    [–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    Depending on the use case, that can be a good thing or a bad thing

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    REISUB. I own you machine, and you will do as I say. Reboot.

    [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 137 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

    Linux gives processes a chance to gracefully close. However, it also will absolutely NOT allow a process to hang up the shutdown or restart procedure after a point. If you're using systemd (which there is a good chance you are), it'll count down. If the process hasn't stopped in the time allotted, it gets Old Yellered.

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    [–] astrsk@fedia.io 70 points 2 days ago

    If your app doesn’t respond to SIGTERM gracefully, you need to fix your app. The system did its job as documented.

    [–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 144 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (32 children)
    [–] vfscanf@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 3 days ago (1 children)
    [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 1 points 1 day ago

    If you hit Ctrl Alt Delete very quickly in succession (I believe it's 7 times in a row) it will bail out from a stop job and proceed with shutting down

    Learned that trick because I was so tired of seeing that occur ha. Along that research I swear I recall seeing that it's a KDE/SDDM issue but I might be getting some wires crossed on that (and thus, don't quote me/take my word on that πŸ˜…)

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    [–] hector@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

    Linux is actually great if you need to implement graceful shutdown with signals -- I love it all around :)))

    [–] dave@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 days ago

    one of my favourite things when i switched to linux first was using the meta+Q hotkey to shutdown a program (this was with PopOS i think). with windows there is alt+F4 but some programs only use shift+alt+F4 which makes it a lot more confusing. on top of all that if youre using a laptop then its another keypress for the Fn key in some cases

    [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Close correctly my ass, window's priority is to piss us off.

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    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Is this even true? I am fairly sure that Linux also has a graceful shutdown process, but I'll admit I haven't looked into it.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 66 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    yeah we have SIGTERM for graceful and SIGKILL for not so graceful shutting down a process.

    [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    In order of decreasing politeness: 1, 2, 15, 9 = HUP, INT, TERM, KILL = "Please stop", "Quit it", "I'm warning you" and "BANG"

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    [–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 2 days ago (9 children)
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    [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 days ago

    Fear will keep them in line

    The kernel giveth, the kernel taketh away

    [–] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)
    $ kill -L
     1) SIGHUP	 2) SIGINT	 3) SIGQUIT	 4) SIGILL	 5) SIGTRAP
     6) SIGABRT	 7) SIGBUS	 8) SIGFPE	 9) SIGKILL	10) SIGUSR1
    11) SIGSEGV	12) SIGUSR2	13) SIGPIPE	14) SIGALRM	15) SIGTERM
    16) SIGSTKFLT	17) SIGCHLD	18) SIGCONT	19) SIGSTOP	20) SIGTSTP
    21) SIGTTIN	22) SIGTTOU	23) SIGURG	24) SIGXCPU	25) SIGXFSZ
    26) SIGVTALRM	27) SIGPROF	28) SIGWINCH	29) SIGIO	30) SIGPWR
    31) SIGSYS	34) SIGRTMIN	35) SIGRTMIN+1	36) SIGRTMIN+2	37) SIGRTMIN+3
    38) SIGRTMIN+4	39) SIGRTMIN+5	40) SIGRTMIN+6	41) SIGRTMIN+7	42) SIGRTMIN+8
    43) SIGRTMIN+9	44) SIGRTMIN+10	45) SIGRTMIN+11	46) SIGRTMIN+12	47) SIGRTMIN+13
    48) SIGRTMIN+14	49) SIGRTMIN+15	50) SIGRTMAX-14	51) SIGRTMAX-13	52) SIGRTMAX-12
    53) SIGRTMAX-11	54) SIGRTMAX-10	55) SIGRTMAX-9	56) SIGRTMAX-8	57) SIGRTMAX-7
    58) SIGRTMAX-6	59) SIGRTMAX-5	60) SIGRTMAX-4	61) SIGRTMAX-3	62) SIGRTMAX-2
    63) SIGRTMAX-1	64) SIGRTMAX
    
    [–] letsgo@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    So does kill -4 just make the program a bit poorly?

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    [–] jonathan@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    I feel this meme was created by someone who didn't actually know Windows in depth and recently learned of the kill command. Which by default just asks the process nicely to terminate itself.

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