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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 62 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I keep on wondering who the fuck has the money to be using things like grubhub. I realize its a non sequitor for this article but I really don't see how these businesses stay in business.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I have used it a bunch over the years because I hate talking to people, but I never use delivery so I think it's only a few extra dollars over calling it in in average, plus some places do offer "discounts" and Amazon prime allows grubhub premium for no charge which removes more fees and gives you credit for pickup orders. The discounts aren't much but can bring it down to what it costs by phone and sometimes a little more. I used to throw a few bucks for tip, but i have decided not to do that anymore because I pickup and it's mostly from pizza places which I wouldn't tip if I call it in so why should I this way.

Of course, these days, I barely get takeout or go out anymore because, like the article talks about, money is too tight to reward yourself anymore...

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 16 hours ago

Yeah the place specific delivery is usually not to bad I mean in particular the internet ones like grubhub. Im sorta aware of the discounts but im fed up with that model. I do wonder if it will work for them long term as im not sure how many folks will do it without the discount whereas uber and airbnb that can sorta compete because they are a tax dodge there is no real tax advantage gurbhub and ilk can lean on to compete with folks just picking it up themselves. I think they are hoping to decimate the pizza and chinese places drivers.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People who don't really understand credit cards or have a cognitive disconnect between cost and value when fulfilling their sustenance need.

When people get hangry they don't make good choices.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 20 hours ago

Roaring 20's pt 2

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

My neighbor gets everything delivered, but I have no clue what he or his wife do. If my spouse made the same as I do, we could afford to do all that delivery stuff. But it still makes no sense

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Same. If my spouse made the same as me and did not have all the medical issues I guess I could but we would not. Likely would just live in a nicer place.

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

never understood this. If you can't buy it now will you be able to.pay later?! You need groceries every month

[–] deceased@lemmy.ml 82 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you're living paycheck to paycheck, it takes one unexpected expense and suddenly you're hustling to get food on the table. The cycle then repeats itself.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've been there. It's expensive to be poor with little to no way out.

You need a car to work. Cars are expensive. You get a old clunker.
You work and live check to check. Maybe $50 or $100 left over after taxes and expenses. Not really possible to have an emergency fund.
A single injury or car breaking down and you need to borrow money. From family, friends or some shitty company.

Oh and then your yearly raise comes around at $1/hr that barely covers your rent increasing let alone inflation.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. ... A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. ... But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Yep. This tracks.

My issue now with products is planned obsolescence. Any things aren't made to last like they used to. They also have extra technology in them making them harder to repair. Appliances, cars and more.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Whoops some bill auto-drafted unexpectedly

Your account is negative now, oh and throw a $25 fee on top.

Looks like you're scrounging for dinner tonight. And the rest of the week. Maybe skip some meals because you have no choice.

Shit sucks ass.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Getting a checking account with no overdraft fees is definitely a plus in those situations

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Peanut butter and bread it is!

Food banks are a godsend in these situations. Don't donate money. Find a local community center that offers assistance and donate foodstuffs. Things like rice, canned beans and mixed veggies are always welcome.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what I understand food banks would rather your money than those nasty old cans in the back of the pantry

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, yes. Donate what food you can, but I promise they have enough cans of beans, bags of rice, etc to last until Jesus comes. Especially because different areas have different people - one local pantry might just need a little bit of everything, while another one on the north side of your city needs a lot of vegetarian and halal options because of the people it serves in that area. Especially, donating money lets that food bank get things that aren't strictly necessary, but can make life that much more bearable - pastries, cookies, candy, snack foods, etc. Sure, it's not healthy and I can hear you all sighing from here, but imagine this is your sole source of food for the month. Having a package of shelf-stable Little Debbies or whatever can seriously make your day just a little more bearable, instead of going "oh boy beans and rice for the 23rd time this month."

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Dog and cat foods are good things to donate, also sanitary items.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Pads and tampons are always needed.

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[–] gingernate@sopuli.xyz 0 points 16 hours ago

Get a less shitty bank

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I understand the need but you just push the snowball hoping for a miracle.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Cost of living is too high, put it on credit.

Your alternative is starve now.

Either way, this is about to get a lot more bonkers in roughly the next 30 to 60 days as Just In Time delivery... kinda just, stops working, and grocery stores will have to both raise prices and ration items per customer per week to deal with shortages and try to minimize in-store injuries and deaths.

Go look up a compilations of black friday shopping stampedes.

Imagine that, but for groceries, every time a grocery store restocks.... for the forseeable future.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Can you elaborate on this? Just In Time delivery? Is this a US thing?

Edit: okay, I looked it up and I understand it now. The ripple effect already happened though when big box stores told Trump to fuck off with the tariffs, because their shelves are empty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, put super simply:

Minimize needed actual storage space and time a thing spends in storage... by relying on very frequent and consistent logistics.

Its very efficient in the sense of minimizing operating costs...

But it is also extremely fragile, a minor perturbation can fuck shit up for weeks or months.

... And we are getting... well basically the most major disruption in the history of JIT as a logistics paradigm.

[–] hazeydreams@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really thought we would have learned that JIT is a horrible strategy after covid... That was only a few years ago...

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Then you've never been poor and living paycheck to paycheck.

There are times when it's either find a loan from someone or not eat for two weeks because something in your house broke and that's unfortunately a reality for many Americans including myself at one time.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I understnd financing. The problem is financing groceries. So you cover the unexpected and finance groceries. what about next month?! Unless you get a way to make more money to cover the difference you going ro have to finance again plus interests

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago

Some people don't have the option, and end up relying on these services. It's similar to the payday loan trap. Being poor is expensive.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago

Capitalism isn't paying enough for workers to live off of and they system is papering over it with debt. Problem is debt isn't a sustainable way to do it since it has to get paid back. We've been seeing sketchier and sketchier things happening in finance and when these loans don't get repaid (and this article is a sign we're getting close) the whole house or cards comes tumbling down

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea is that if you are throwing a party or buying something big, then this will be useful for those purchases.

It isn't a good idea, though.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get 5% cash back for using ny credit card to buy groceries. I use the card and pay it off every payday. Free money.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Those benefits are usually your own money + the money of those who fail to make payments since merchants have to increase their prices to compensate for credit card fees.

They indirectly steal from you, launder the funds and present it back to you as a "benefit", but only if you've been a good boy.

This is a similar principle to modern loyalty programs. In exchange for your personal information and your eyes (advertising), you get to pay slightly above the regular price and accumulate ✨points✨ while other schmos get a jacked up price that pays for your points (or the value of your points is built into the price of the items you purchase).

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not exactly. Card benefits come directly from fees charged to merchants, which is why processing fees vary wildly from card to card and the merchant has no clue what their fees are going to be per transaction (though this is starting to change with services like Stripe charging a flat percentage+ transaction fee). Interest and the like are pure profit for CC companies. You as the cardholder receive the benefits even if you carry a balance.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I think a lot of people don't realize what a big piece merchant fees are. This is why so many places just don't take AmEx.

https://www.bankrate.com/credit-cards/business/why-american-express-isnt-universally-accepted/#why

"Visa and Mastercard tend to charge credit card processing fees between 1.15 percent + $0.05 and 2.5 percent + $0.10 per transaction. American Express charges 1.43 percent + $0.10 to 3.30 percent + $0.10 per transaction. That means if a business sells $10,000 in credit card transactions per week, they could pay around $115 to $250 in Visa and Mastercard fees versus around $143 to $330 in Amex fees."

Now that CapOne is trying to buy Discover, I have no idea what that will mean...

https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/capital-one-and-discovers-merger-approved-heres-what-it-means-for-your-wallet

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes precisely, and merchants increase their prices to account for those unknown processing fees since it varies wildly from card to card.

If you carry a balance, you will pay interest, hence reducing the value of your rewards.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

and since you’re paying through the cost of groceries etc whether you get the benefits or not, you may as well get the benefits

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The people who subsidize rewards are customers paying cash/debit.

The prices are higher to cover the Visa Infinite or whatever premium card merchant fees.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Absolutely, they get shafted the most.

Putting food on layaway?

So much winning /s

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I grow a lot of my food in a fairly small space, and it's quite easy. There's also a community garden a few blocks away. Everything else is avoiding corporate supermarkets as they seem to have the worst quality at the highest price for meats, baked goods, etc. So I'm rarely doing a grocery shop and notice my money goes much slower.

If you're struggling to get groceries, assess your receipt and look for alternatives. Reducing spend while increasing quality is definitely a thing with staples.

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