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    Alt text; An image showing a meme about open source software. The top part shows an elephant standing on a beach with text reading "The entire world's IT infrastructure" superimposed on the elephant. Below this is a large, colorful beach ball being supported by tiny ants, with text reading "Unpaid open source devs." The meme illustrates how the global IT ecosystem heavily relies on open source software that is often maintained by unpaid volunteer developers who carry a disproportionate burden despite their small numbers.

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    [–] janus2@lemmy.zip 52 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    "cOmMuNisM wOuLdN't WoRk BeCaUsE hUmAnS aReN't MoTiVaTeD wItHoUt MonEy!!!"

    [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that was always a bad argument. The truth is it will always fail in the transitional step where the state owns everything. People in power do not want to give up that power, so it inevitably leads to dictatorship followed by eventual collapse.

    [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Capitalism is the gold standard in economic systems, but we're living the end game where so much money has funneled up that the rich own us and our legislatures. Not sure how that trap can be avoided. How do we propose to tax the snot out of the very people and institutions that own our collective ass and write the tax laws?

    [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

    The problem is the concentration of power. We need enough different groups in power that they're too busy undermining each other to consolidate.

    [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I think they'd love it if all us poor's died of preventable disease, violent crime, died in their wars, starved to death in food deserts, or willingly subjugated ourselves to become their servants and concubines. If only the rich are left, then essentially the game starts over again.

    The enlightened poors want to remove the top 10% of the pyramid; the rich don't care what happens to the bottom 90% as long as they get to keep growing their money, power, and control.

    If we stop buying their products, stop working in their businesses, stop consuming their media, and start reappropriating their assets, the balance of power would shift very quickly.

    Having said that, I'm a hypocrite who bought something off Amazon in the last 3 months, works for a megacorp, and continues to use big tech in many aspects of my life out of convenience. I've maybe made 20% of the changes I need to make to feel happy about my level of ideological purity and I have an advantage because I understand computers, philosophy, and politics better than most normies in my life.

    [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

    LOL, no, they don't want us dying, en masse anyway. They need workers to prop them up.

    But yes, we need to stop consuming. When I say that on here, people have all the excuses in the world. OTOH, I find so much free shit on the side of the road. How hard up are we really?

    I could go on all night, but just this last summer we scored 2 new bikes (one with the tags still on it!) for the kids, a new wine fridge, brand new toaster oven, and so on. LOL, I grabbed an old mattress, took 20-minutes with a box knife and made a sweet trellis for my ferns where nothing else would grow.

    Fridge finally died beyond my ability to repair. Got the nicest one I've ever owned off FB, $200. Same deal with the clothes washer, FB, $200. Found a near-new flattop stove on the road, free, 1-hour to wipe it off, yank the old and install. I could show you around my house for an hour, easy, just showing off stuff I found and repaired for free or near enough.

    And nothing wrong with the occasional Amazon purchase, I do that all the time. Saves money and time. Consider, if 100 people need a thing at Walmart, and those 100 people all get in their cars and trucks and make the 16-mile round trip, yikes! Versus one van driving the hood everyday. And not to mention, much of those goods are delivered by the mailman, who is coming by anyway!

    Nothing wrong with working for a megacorp, we gotta do what we gotta do. I just quit Lowe's because they were a pain, but not too bad overall, not for that kinda shit employer! My best gigs were for small companies, and that's where most Americans work. Looking now. Need an IT guy?

    As to consuming media, I'll be blunt as fuck, I steal it. No way I'm paying a dime.

    We should be friends.

    [–] janus2@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

    this is why i pray for benevolent alien and/or AI takeover

    [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    This is the most interesting thing I've seen on the subject of motivation, and one of the most interesting videos I've ever watched. 10 minutes. Do it y'all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

    It explains so much of why I happy or unhappy at jobs, even if being paid far more for less work. Making more money does not equate to satisfaction or better productivity. It explains why we work for free, the very subject at hand. There's much I'm unhappy about working at Lowe's, quite the pay cut from my IT career and it's physically beating my old ass, but I have the 3 things he talks about in the video, and it turns out, those things are gold.

    [–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 50 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Anyone having success with monetising their OS software? I have a library with many users that I recently switched to AGPL, but noone wants to pay for it to use it in their company.

    [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 49 points 4 months ago

    For individual projects the way this usually works is one of the larger companies that rely on the project hires the developer as an employee to maintain the codebase full-time and help integrate it with their internal processes.

    Larger projects might form their own company and sell integration & support to other companies (e.g. Red Hat, Bitwarden).

    Otherwise you're basically dependent on donations or government grants.

    There's a Wikipedia article on this subject: Business models for open-source software

    And there's various industry opinions:

    Demystifying the Open Source Business Model: A Comprehensive Explanation

    How to build a successful business model around open source software

    Open Source Business Models (UNICEF course)

    I think monetization is easier for user-facing software though, which a lot of this material is written around, and harder for projects like libraries.

    Daniel Stenberg (author of curl) has written a little bit about his journey working on curl: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/10/26/working-open-source/

    I now work for wolfSSL. We sell curl support and related services to companies. Companies pay wolfSSL, wolfSSL pays me a salary and I get food on the table. This works as long as we can convince enough companies that this is a good idea.

    The vast majority of curl users out there of course don’t pay anything and will never pay anything. We just need a small number of companies to do it – and it seems to be working. We help customers use curl better, we make curl better for them and we make them ship better products this way. It’s a win win. And I can work on open source all day long thanks to this.

    [–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The problem is the people who use the library don’t have access to the money. They’re just some dev trying to build something and your library is one of their 500 dependencies. The idea of needing to pay for a license means they have to stop building and get other people involved who may or may not approve, which may not be an option if they have a deadline. They will probably just try to find some work around to avoid this.

    I wonder if a better approach is to move hundreds of libraries into some kind of joint bundle (a humble bundle). Let companies buy access to them all with one procurement, and also you’ll have more negotiating power and pull if you have a bigger group.

    [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

    Make a "pro" version that costs money.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -5 points 4 months ago

    Why do you want to monetize it?

    You could create a donation page. If no one wants to donate it is probably because there isn't a perceived benefit of the software.

    [–] 1984 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Where is big tech in this picture? They are the ones making the billions from it.

    Governments should be funding the most popular open source software that the world relies on. And big tech should not be allowed to just take it and make billions from it. That was never the intention. It was open source because profit was not the end goal.

    [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Germany is currently paying out a little through the "sovereign tech fund"

    https://www.sovereign.tech/tech

    [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

    The frustrating thing working in a big company is wanting to pay for something that costs 0.0000001% of the company's annual revenue, but not being able to because big companies are always divided up in hundreds of small teams with their own budgets, and your boss is already over-budget for the quarter because the team's cloud bill was 20% higher than predicted.

    This is, of course, working exactly as designed.

    [–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

    That's not how a capitalist system works. In capitalism, one can only do things for personal gain. Anything else will be lost effort. Even if a company gives out free stuff, that's ultimately for their own gain

    [–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    There is so much unpaid labor that big tech depends on. If they had to fairly pay for all that work through donations or otherwise they would go bankrupt, every single on of them. Big tech grew so massive because on open source, but it also helped open source grow. big tech will also die because they are increasingly just a leech-like middleman that just sits upon a mountain of free work and whose relative sliver of code contribution in comparison to the total code in a product is getting smaller and smaller and big tech is therefore increasingly a burden and not a asset to societies, economies and other companies.

    Governments should be funding the most popular open source software that the world relies on

    profits of business have always been dependent on governments funding research and free work done by individuals to turn a profit. Open source is nothing new on this regard.

    [–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I love how the title is basically also the problem.

    Who the fuck has some obscure library that is the basis of many other tools as their "favourite project", even though it might be a fundamental part of many other things that are actually the favourites of people.

    [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Appreciate the call out.

    Been meaning to kick some money to the Blender Foundation for a minute - if anyone else cares to join :D https://fund.blender.org/

    [–] thenumbernine@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

    You forgot the picture of Daniel Stenberg propping up the ants.