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Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett triggered fierce backlash from MAGA loyalists after forcefully questioning the Trump administration's top lawyer and voicing skepticism over ending birthright citizenship during a heated Supreme Court argument.

Since taking office, Donald Trump has pushed for an executive order to end birthright citizenship, a constitutional guarantee under the 14th Amendment that grants automatic U.S. citizenship to anyone born on American soil.

During oral arguments, Barrett confronted Solicitor General Dean John Sauer, who was representing the Trump administration, over his dismissive response to Justice Elena Kagan's concerns. Barrett sharply asked whether Sauer truly believed there was "no way" for plaintiffs to quickly challenge the executive order, suggesting that class-action certification might expedite the process.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 286 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Imposter? A Justice should have no loyalty but to the law. This isn’t about her opinion. It’s about reading the 14th Amendment.

Want to change it? Go for it. You’ll need half the House, 2/3 of the Senate, and 3/4 of states to amend the Constitution.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 172 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is the case that seems the most clear out of any in the past few years.

The text of the amendment isn't murky at all.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

There's no way to interpret that being born in the US doesn't convey citizenship.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And that's why the GOP are reframing those deemed undesirable as illegals, invaders, and terrorists. These people by some definitions do not behave as bound to the law of the country they are in.

Any reason to justify what they are doing.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The funny thing about that is if they argue that they’re not under the jurisdiction of the United States, then we couldn’t even give them a parking ticket, let alone deport them. They’d effectively have diplomatic immunity.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (45 children)

That's not how it would work at all. They'd be nationless. You do not want to be nationless.

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I believe from listening to recent NPR that their lawyers aren't even arguing about that. They are arguing about whether national injunctions can really be national injunctions or not.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah - they're trying REALLY hard to not argue the merits because it's extremely clear to anyone that what they're doing is illegal, so they're trying to make it a civil suit issue.

The next step after that is to claim Sovereign Immunity to keep civil suits from being heard.

And then they'll have their legal justification for disappearing US Citizens without due process.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A Justice should have no loyalty but to the law.

First time reading about the GOP?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My point is that the 14th Amendment is very clear. There’s no room for interpretation as there is with something like a fetus compared to a baby in Roe v. Wade. What they want is to amend the Constitution. That’s a different process entirely.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (35 children)

14A S3 is also very clear, but here we are

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Crazy thing is that 2 justices will almost always happily vote to throw the constitution in the trash if it helps with party politics.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why bother, just sign an EO. /s

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump, "Why the /s? I'll do it."

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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They wouldn't stand a chance of doing this with the states, it would cause a civil war.

They couldnt even get it past a Republican controlled vote.

They have Republicans in office that were not even born in the USA. People forget asshats like Ted Cruz.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 98 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You can't "end" a Constitutional amendment with an executive order. That simply isn't how the law works.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is if no one stops him. The Constitution doesn't do anything unless people actively uphold it. So far Trump's gotten away with so many things because no one's actually stopping him.

I keep waiting for the American public to take a stand, but apparently they're willing to sit there on the couch while their democracy is stripped away.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Again, we're open to suggestions on what to do.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The thought of a clearly defined and settled case getting heard by SCOTUS is bad enough on its own. This doesn't even coincide with any kind of real world event besides an asshole President saying, "I don't like this rule."

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (5 children)

More proof the right wing does not, nor have they ever, given one flying fuck about the Constitution that they go on so much about.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's like they'd already been conditioned to be outraged about some other selectively-ignored sacred text…

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder how many of these "MAGA influencers" are just plants or bot accounts.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But not enough.

77 million people still voted this orange shit-stain into office again. They saw what he'd done before. They saw an attempted coup. They heard all the Nazi-era rhetoric. And they thought "that's the man for us".

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cult-like behavior. Literally. "You're with us all the way and must always back anything Dear Leader does or says. If you disagree with anything, you must be kicked out, expelled, recalled, fired, or voted out!" It's absolutely psychotic to view the world in such zero-sum, black/white terms.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I seem to recall the right wailing about cancel culture not too long ago...

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No see - it’s all about who’s doing the thing. Words are all made up anyway, there are just good guys and bad guys.

Remember how “precedent” stopped them from allowing Obama to appoint a new Supreme Court judge as a lame duck, but the same logic didn’t apply to Trump?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is the result of normalizing the practice of religiously indoctrinating children and leaded gasoline.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is it wrong that I'm thankful for Amy Coney Barrett? She might be the key to stopping this madness.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 week ago

If we can't have a progressive, Coney-Barrett would be a better chief justice. She seems to at least try to follow the Constitution (most of the time). Eff her for lying about RvW in her confirmation hearing, though. Eff all those guys.

[–] QuincyPeck@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

She’s certainly performed better than expected. She actually seems to give a damn about the application of law in most cases.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they fast tracked her to the highest court in the country thinking she was properly trained to be their good little soldier

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't they KNOW the Founders EXPLICITLY Only Protected the RIGHT to SHOOT UP A SCHOOL?

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So she sucks in a great many ways, but I’ve actually been surprised that Coney Barrett hasn’t been the rubber stamp i expected her to be

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If it makes you feel better she basically is the rubber stamp you expected, all she did here was “show skepticism”

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[–] StayDoomed@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Every time I see verbs such as "rips" "slams" "melts down" I stop reading because I know it's going to be hyperbole

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Somedays I really have to question whether such people really exist. I mean really? What do they think America is?

Edit: I mean, I get it from the people in power, they want to cozy up to that power and so they will parrot its rhetoric. So companies, lobbyists, etc., sure.

But like, regular people? With day jobs? Who function in regular society going to stores and cooking food and cleaning homes and all that? What is their actual vision of America here?

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago

At first, I thought “remove this imposter” was a quote from ACB and I was like “Damn, she really woke up to this whole thing, huh?”

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Does maga realize that the more they attack someone, the more they drive that person away?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

Its a cult, they don't care. It just leads existing cult members to isolate harder from outsiders and stay loyal.

[–] TwistedCister@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

The more they attack someone verbally the more threats that person will receive from their cult.

It’s not about their rage changing anyone’s mind. It’s the threats of violence that follow. Those can make people fall in line or go into hiding and either of those is a win for the oppressors.

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