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Or perhaps the end of the beginning, if you're a little more pessimistic.


Image is from this Bloomberg article, from which I also gathered some of the information used in the preamble.


While Trump was off in the Middle East in an incompetent attempt to solve a geopolitical and humanitarian crisis, China has been doing something much more productive.

Chinese officials, including Xi Jinping, had a summit with CELAC (a community of 33 Latin American and Caribbean countries). There, he promised investment, various declarations of friendship, and visa-free entry for 30 days for citizens of Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru and Uruguay. Lula signed over 30 agreements with China. Colombia is joining the New Development Bank and hopes to gain the money for a 120-kilometer railway connecting the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as an alternative route to the Panama Canal. Even Argentina, ruled by arch-libertarian and arch-dipshit (but I repeat myself) Milei, was uncharacteristically polite with China as he secured a currency swap renewal to shore up their international reserves.

It wouldn't really be correct to say that Latin America is "siding with China over the US" - leaders in the region will continue to make many deals with America for the foreseeable future, and even Trump's bizarre economic strongman routine won't make them break off economic and diplomatic relations. What's significant here is that despite increasing American pressure for those leaders to break off all ties with China, few appear to be listening - and given that China is perhaps the most important economy on the planet right now, that is a very predictable outcome.

As the current American empire takes actions to try and avoid their doom, those very actions only guarantee it. As Latin America grows ever more interconnected with China and continues to develop, America will grow ever more panicked and demanding, and this feedback loop will - eventually - result in the death of the Monroe Doctrine.


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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 21 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Russia just launched one of the largest large scale air attacks of the entire Ukraine war a few hours ago, after yesterday's attack involving 14 ballistic missiles (Iskander-M/KN-23) and 250 Geran/Shahed drones and decoys.

Tonight's attack involved the use of 9 Tu-95M and 3 Tu-160 strategic bombers launching Kh-101 subsonic cruise missiles, Su-57 stealth aircraft launching Kh-69 stealth subsonic cruise missiles, ships in the black sea launching dozens of Kalibr cruise missiles, potentially dozens of Iskander M, Kn-23 and Iskander-1000 ground launched ballistic missiles, along with the usual Geran/Shahed drones and decoys. So a massive attack. No Kinzhal air launched ballistic missiles from MiG-31K aircraft, preliminary reports of long range ballistic missile strikes beyond the range of the usual Iskander M suggest that Iskander-1000 has taken up the role usually fulfilled by the Kinzhal.

The air raid is still continuing, with Tu-22M3 bombers launching Kh-32/22 supersonic cruise missiles.

There has been a large redeployment and repositioning of Russian Air Force and Ministry of Defence transport aircraft, flying away from Moscow during the Russian attack. Ukraine also launched a drone attack on Moscow, so it's likely to do with that.

Amk mapping telegram, provides a good English translation of Russian and Ukrainian sources

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 35 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I spoke to some people working in executive positions for small to medium-sized Danish naval contractors recently. They told me that five years ago all the people from the industry were gathered by the navy for meetings on constructing new patrol ships. Many people drew large salaries for going to a lot of meetings. Nothing has been built yet. Now they're starting over from scratch, this time not just to build patrol ships but to build an entire new navy. Many people are drawing large salaries to go to a lot of meetings again.

The regime wants to build the new navy domestically. However, and these executives were very aware of this, the capacity to build large ships doesn't exist in the west anymore. The large shipyards have all been closed down and converted to other uses and even though Denmark still has a capacity for maritime engineering, design and architecture, the skilled workers needed to actually build the ships are not there anymore. And even if they were, nobody would want to pay a couple of hundred of them the salaries they would have to. There's a reason why ship building was outsourced in the first place.

The regime plans to get around this by letting a hundred subcontractors bloom, each building parts of the new ships in different locations. Then all the parts are going to be gathered in the harbour of Esbjerg and welded together there. The executives didn't think much of that idea. They thought that the way to get around having to employ 300 ship builders is to sprinkle the magic fairy dust of technology on the new naval shipyard, somehow using robotics and the line to reduce the number of workers to a hundred.

I don't think their idea of robotic domestic shipyards is that much less delusional than the one-piece-at-the-time scheme imagined by the regime. As if Asian shipyards were not already using robotics where possible. Also, unlike the west, China and other Asian countries have an actual shipbuilding industry that can be leveraged to develop new fancy high-tech solutions, the west doesn't.

[–] trompete@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

I would like a row of sittings ducks please.

Best I can do are sitting duck related meetings with expensive consultants.

Perfect!

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 35 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Interesting interview with a Russian drone developer

Guy's got a particular perspective (small Russian military drone manufacturer who wants to be better integrated into the Russian MIC) but very interesting overall. He talks about tactics such as using a fiber optic drone to hit the jamming source of an incursion, be it a backpack kit or vehicle with the EW hardware, then using cheaper radio drones to begin picking apart the rest of the force. He also talks about downsides of fiber optics - in particular light you can see the cables and track them to their source from a recon drone. You can also put a laser into a terminated optical drone's cable and use that to track it back to the source on the ground. Lots of interesting stuff.

[–] blame@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

i wonder how well this works when the environment is basically polluted with these lines though. It's probably effective if there aren't very many of them in the area.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

gotta put a spool on the other end and retract the cable after the drone detonates

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I'm not sure this is possible. One little tree branch or pile of rocks is all it takes to make a fishing line unrecoverable, and that's on the scale of meters, not kilometers.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago

Cut it off and tie the end to a bottle rocket after you're done with it

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

if it rips in no-mans land you're good to go, but that bottle rocket idea is better.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago

Gotta put them on a really long bungie cord so when they explode they hang in the air for a second before going boioioioing and shooting back the way they came leaving a ball of dust that says 'poof'

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 32 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

CNTE protests in Mexico City: What are the teachers asking for, what have they been given, and how are the negotiations going? Hexbear Post soviet-chad

Tensions between teachers from the National Coordinator of Education Workers (CNTE) and the government have reached a critical point. After a week of protests, including the blockade of Mexico City's main thoroughfares and the closure of access to the National Palace prior to President Claudia Sheinbaum's morning press conference, the teachers' union remains steadfast in demanding the repeal of the 2007 ISSSTE Law. Meanwhile, authorities have limited themselves to describing this reform implemented by Felipe Calderón as an "injustice." However, they maintain that there is insufficient funding to completely reverse it or implement a new pension system under the conditions demanded by the CNTE.

Venezuela’s 2025 Legislative and Regional Elections: A Quick Guide - Venezuelanalysis Hexbear Post maduro-coffee

Venezuelans return to the polls on Sunday, May 25, to elect a new National Assembly, governors for 24 states, and regional legislative councils. This is the 32nd electoral event under the Bolivarian Revolution.

With their respective terms ending on January 5, 2026, the Venezuelan Constitution determines that a new National Assembly (AN) and regional authorities must be chosen this year. The unusually early date leaves room for other elections later in the year, including municipal contests and a potential constitutional reform.

In addition, the electorate will also pick governors for the 24 states and 260 members of regional legislative councils. Regional officials serve four-year terms.

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 56 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

According to the PFLP, the enemy camp is a triad: The Israeli Entity (Zionist movement), global imperialism, and Arab reactionaries. This, the Front argued, was a precise diagnosis of the conflict. Consequently, it maintained that targeting the enemy should not be restricted by geography, since the enemy itself had made the entire world a battlefield.

Behind the Enemy Everywhere: Return of Palestinian External Ops? by Moussa al-Sadah

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

That is essentially a call for 9/11 style actions

The question that needs to be answered before considering that is whether or not doing such a thing will harden global support for Israel destroying Palestine completely, or whether it will scare global supporters into wanting it over so such attacks do not happen. It could go either way.

With that said though... Does hardening of their support even matter? They already support it completely.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

This is frustrating to read (the PFLP statement) because the idea that regional partners of Israel (the GCC, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan) needed to start paying a price for their support of Israel, explicit or implicit, seemed obvious 12-18 months ago. The Biden admin was very clear that they didn't want this to escalate into a regional conflict, and the Resistance met them on those terms instead of forcing the US/EU into the exact situation they didn't want. Arab/Muslim countries that had signed the Abraham Accords and were housing US bases should have been made to pay cost, and they were let off the hook instead.

MBS can give lip service to a Palestinian state all he pleases, but when he allows US naval vessels that attack the Resistance to sit off his coast and resupply from his ports, that makes him an ally of Israel. When that British manlet who rules Jordan shoots down Iranian missiles fired at Israel, that makes him an ally of Israel. When the UAE acts as a makeshift land bridge for Israeli logistics and houses US military bases, that makes them an ally of Israel. When Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan supply Israel with oil and Turkey acts as Israel's gas station, that makes them allies of Israel.

The Western elite only understand money. If you want to make them hurt, you hurt their bank accounts. Europe is pretty much incapable of fight any war right now, and any expansion of the conflict in the Middle East would have stretched the US very thin supporting both Israel and a GCC that can barely fight as it is. The only reason any of these people are saying anything now is because the images of starvation lay bare how full of shit they are in a way that actually might give them political ossues. And I frankly can't shake the feeling that liberals only give a shit now because Palestine seems like a hopeless cause, similar to the argument laid out in that Red Sails essay about the influence of Christianity on Western Marxism.

Maybe it's still worth making someone pay a price, especially after they all just spent turns sucking Donald Trump off on public television and he just fucked over Palestine in return for it, but it's frustrating to even think about it now.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

Ya, seems a little late now that Syria has fallen into a pro-Israel war zone.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 35 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (18 children)

Moon of Alabama is having some hot take today in light of the Denmark raising retirement age: Chinese Work Less For Longer Retirements

China’s new retirement age for males born in 1970/12 is 61.5, and females is 55.25. With life expectancy 81.5 🇩🇰 vs 79 🇨🇳 and China’s much longer working hours (2450 hrs vs 🇩🇰 1563), Chinese work 4600 hours for 1 year of retirement, while Danes need to work for 6500 hours.

This calculation assumed Chinese start working at 20 years old and Danes start at 22 years old to account for higher education level in Denmark. Average retirement age 58.4 is assumed in China, just an average of male/female retirement ages.

So 🇨🇳 worked for 38.4 * 2450=94000 hrs in exchange of 20.6 yrs; 🇩🇰 worked for 48 * 1563=75000 hrs, retire for 11.5 yrs.

Obviously, the austerity policy in Europe is bad and the raising of retirement age is inevitable with the impending economic difficulties under neoliberalism, but the comparison with China (of all countries!) is quite another level of galaxy brain.

Average annual work hours by country:

(Top entry is Chinese internet companies that implement 996 work hours)

If you are between 20-40 years old, would you rather:

  1. Work an average of 48 hours per week (much higher if you work in some 996 companies) with 0.5-1 day weekend, 5 days of paid annual leave (10 if you have worked for 10 years, 15 if you have worked for 20 years), no free healthcare, no social safety nets, but you get to retire at 60 (going up to 63, for men) or 55 (going up to 58, for women). Also take into account that once retired, a large portion of your 五险一金 (five insurances and one fund) payout is going to be spent on your aging health expenses since there is no free healthcare.

or

  1. Work an average of 35 hours per week with at least 2-day weekend, 25 days (5 weeks) of paid annual leave, free universal healthcare and supported by strong social safety nets, but now you have to work until you are 70.

Which one will you choose?

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

I'd choose the one that gives me a much better starting position to both maintain my rights and fight against incremental neoliberal reform degradation and that is #2 for sure.

#1 is not going to be looking as good an option if you assume now that 60 went up to 63 it will eventualy also keep going higher, to 65, 68 and more. There is never a single instance in which neoliberal reforms don't keep increasing their demands. If someone made this argument years ago before the increase the calculation was already different, if they were lucky they got to retire at 60 already.

From that point I'd definitely "prefer" #2 as its already a much better starting point for fighting against incremental neoliberal reforms. #1 situation you're basicaly already lost both on welfare and working conditions and you're also already losing on retirement, while the #2 situation is still just one law that could theoretically be reformed back to a previous state.

The more rights and concessions you lose from the capitalists the harder it is to get them all back.

Therefore I don't see #1 and #2 as being that fundamentaly different either, only one situation is further along the neoliberal deterioration worker rights under capitalism. If you're actualy seriously trying to make these pragmatic calculations as if its two different "systems" than that is an incredible amount of copium. You will have to keep redoing these calculations as the situation deteriorates and neoliberalism demands further austerity. The retirement age of both with tend to converge to the maximum possible.

The MoA is doing lazy shitty ass economic arguing about the virtue of work as if there is a correlation between a citizen's working hours and the quality of their country's welfare, its complete nonsense from the start. EU social democracy can afford this due to imperialism and the fact they've resisted these changes for decades while neoliberalism ran rampant accross the world and the EU itself.

Claiming you need to work X amount of hours to pay for welfare is mainstream econ garbage period, after all its the Chinese worker that was making the Danish's iPhone and most of everything else in the last 10-20 years. Complete nonsense.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 3 points 4 hours ago

2 is subsidized by imperialist plunder and is not a sustainable system btw, as we are already seeing its unraveling

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 1 points 3 hours ago

Moon of Alabama and B have been weird for a few months now. I still remember when they said there was zero possibility that North Korean troops were in Kursk and it was all some grand NATO fabrication.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 5 hours ago

The Chinese option doesn’t sound that different from Guatemala. We work around the same annual hours as Costa Rica while lacking their comparatively generous social services. We also retire at 60 with a barebones social safety net and no free healthcare. Plus side is that you all enjoy better infrastructure and overall safety than we do.

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

That's a no brainer, 1, my family doesn't even make it to their 70s generally and they're so ridden with mobility issues and illness by their late 50's there's no way they could work even as a greeter some place.

Going to xth as a Murikkkan I will opt for 40-60 hour weeks, no weekends except a few times a year, no paid leave, no retire, no healthcare and no safety nets and I will have to work until the grim reaper claims me.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As a USAmerican I have been given a third option: work an average of 48 hours per week with 0.5-1 day weekend, 5 days of paid annual leave, no free healthcare, no social safety nets, but also I have to work until 70.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 8 points 6 hours ago

Hahahaha so much FREEDOM

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Definitely 1 and I question anyone who would pick otherwise. Retiring at 70 in Denmark means only being able to enjoy 1 year of healthy retirement before spending the rest of your life being stricken with some debilitating illness. It also demonstrates how even a cushier socdem state like Denmark sees its workers as completely disposable and "rewards" them with retirement only when they reach their healthy life expectancy where they can no longer be milked for their labor. China at least cares about their workers enjoying some form of healthy retirement.

And as a final point, I don't know a whole lot of people who died before hitting 55 or 60, but I know plenty of people who didn't make it past 70. Just from extended family alone, I could think of at least 5 relatives who didn't make it.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

China at least cares about their workers enjoying some form of healthy retirement.

Love the sentence lol. If only retirees are also treated with free healthcare, so you know, they can actually retire without having to worry about burning through their retirement funds.

The trick really is to not get sick after retirement, then you should be able to live quite well (depends on how much pension you have paid during your working years).

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

I don't think you truly appreciate how terrible it is to still work when you're 60+, let alone working until you're 70.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 25 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

Denmark is deteriorating, their conditions are plummeting, they are cutting social services at a faster and faster pace to militarize. They are becoming increasingly fascistic. I would rather live in China, especially considering it’s trending in the correct direction and has a future.

Sometimes you need a splash of cold water to realize when you sound like a cracker. MoA is correct here. He’s using China as an example because even though they have a long way to go and famously have problems with overwork, they are STILL better than the new status quo in Denmark. It would be even more of a stark contrast to compare Denmark and say Cuba

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

No offense, I’ve lived in both the West and in China, I’m pretty sure I’ve got a better perspective than most people here, even though you are welcome to call me biased.

I don’t think you realize that being in close proximity to the USSR dictated how much better the working conditions are in the soc dem European states, even 35 years after its collapse and most of those countries are declining and have fully mutated into neoliberal imperialist states as you’ve said. The whole point that is in spite of all this, welfare is still so much better than China that claims to be socialist.

Also, very much doubt that most people here who have lived in the West and say they prefer to live in China will easily survive the 内卷 (involution) in China. When you hear “expats” talk about China, know that they usually work for some multinational corporations that automatically place them among the top 0.1% income earners in China and are essentially living like kings there. Their kids go to international schools and do not have to compete with the rest of the kids for gaokao.

I get that many people here are cynical or just want to be contrarian, but seriously think about trading away free healthcare and social safety nets and one month of vacation every year, just to work like a dog with little to no recreation time in your 20s and 30s, having to report to your supervisor on every Sunday instead of having the luxury of switching off for the weekend.

Maybe you enjoy the hustling and grinding, in which case, good for you, but I assure you that most people don’t. Call me lazy or whatever, I don’t care lol!

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I get that many people here are cynical or just want to be contrarian, but seriously think about trading away free healthcare and social safety nets and one month of vacation every year, just to work like a dog with little to no recreation time in your 20s and 30s, having to report to your supervisor on every Sunday instead of having the luxury of switching off for the weekend.

The point is these things will cease to exist for Denmark and the west within the decade, meanwhile China is continually improving. All future trends indicate that China will continue to be a better place to live.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Would have agreed with you if it weren’t for the fact that the retirement age is also being raised in China starting January 1st, 2025.

You probably have seen my writings before, still too neoliberal brained, will do anything other than raising wages and giving welfare to people, etc. I won’t repeat all of that lol. So we’ll see how much longer China is going to keep up with these policies.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

China’s life expectancy has sky rocketed, so too does the cost of pensions for the remainder of their lives. Some moving back of the retirement period is only natural to account for the massively increased lifespan of recent years. Whereas in Denmark the life expectancy has not been increasing, in fact it decreased for the last 2 years and before the at has been flat for decades. So they are burning at both ends, whereas China is shifting one way.

You say you have lived in both China and the West, but what does that have to do with this conversation? You have never been a retiree in Denmark under the new rules, in fact nobody has because it hasn’t yet occurred, it’s a removal of future benefits. What do you know of the plight of a 68 year old in Denmark in 2059? You think they will have healthcare? Lmao. Look at the numbers here presented by Moon of Alabama, they are pointing at a real thing. Work:retirement ratio is important.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Some moving back of the retirement period is only natural to account for the massively increased lifespan of recent years. Whereas in Denmark the life expectancy has not been increasing, in fact it decreased for the last 2 years and before the at has been flat for decades. So they are burning at both ends, whereas China is shifting one way.

China's is now also suffering from this same population crisis, life expectancy is not increasing therefore the working age population is decreasing.

This is fundamentaly part of the reason why China is increasing the retirement age. Its a mainstream neoliberal reaction to the same crisis faced on industrialized countries. You're trying to separate Denmark as if their situation is that much different but it is not. There is no "increased lifespan of recent years". This is at least 15 years out of date. Chinese life expectancy peaked in 2010. The working age population(15-64) has been stagnant for 15 years.

Please understand this is mainstream news in China even. SCMP: China population: with 20 million fewer people projected by 2035, will the retirement age have to be raised? This was before the CPC announced the current reform.

Meanwhile, China’s workforce is also shrinking, as its working-age population aged between 16-59 also fell from 875.56 million in 2022 to 864.81 million last year, which may lead to an acceleration of automation, as well as the postponement of the retirement age, the report said.

“[But] the government [is expected] to postpone the retirement age only gradually to avoid cannibalising young hires at a time when youth employment is already at all-time high, which risks social stability,” the EIU said, with China’s adjusted jobless rate for 16 to 24 age group standing at 14.9 per cent in December.

You're also just saying that pension cost is some fundamental universe law that must be accounted for, this is neoliberal budgeting theory you should know about it. Even though @xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 's infactuation with MMT or whatever is silly and MMT is almost entirely anti-marxist, its still strikes along at least one correct principle here.

Neoliberal budgeting of social welfare is not an excuse to curb worker rights, period. Any society can afford retirement @60 and universal healthcare etc. The issue is the strength of the collective working class, not some economic nonsensical argument about "paying" for pensions. Come on now China can afford retirement @60, all it takes is Xi to get off his ass and point the PLA's at the Tencent offices and their Jack Maos.

Government budgeting is not and will never be an issue. It becomes an issue if we resign to the fact the working class got no strength to impose these concessions.

No in fact it is not "natural" to progressively lose your working class rights, every industrialized country including China can afford proper social welfare. You're sadly just copying mainstream rethoric about government budget to justify adjusting worker rights. I do not know how Hexbear arrives at these strange positions honestly, no neoliberal reforms are not justifiable under any circumstance.

If these reforms are necessary for the CPC to keep the line going up maybe they need to take a look at the mirror, the US's line is also going up yet that doesn't justify anything so why do you need to copy them?

Yes I agree with you China may well be the better place to live, how much does that matter if China keeps doing neoliberal reforms though? Much of this progress will be lost and your pragmatic calculation will look vastly different even 10-15 years from now.

[–] geikei@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

"A developed but declining imperial core socdem country with the population of a mid size Chinese city and sickening accumulated wealth per capita is in some ways still a preferable place to work and even exist than a developing (and constantly improving QoL wise) socialist asian nation of 1.4 billion people 70 years removed from feudalism" is really eye oppening analysis. It was also easier in some if not most ways to be a worker in some random european social democracy than in the USSR for most of the latters existance. Guess everything is lost

Exactly. Furthermore, the EU in general is just a giant, neo-liberal dictatorship that was carefully designed to prevent the European working classes from seizing power and building socialism in their countries. European workers can learn a lot from the Chinese revolution and the PRC. The EU, on the other hand, must be destroyed.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Also, retiring at 70 is complete ass. Per WHO data, healthy life expectancy for Denmark is 71, so your average Danish worker can only enjoy a year of retirement before being hit with debilitating illness. HALE for China is 67.2 for men and 70.0 for women. That's 7.2 years and 15 years of healthy retirement respectively.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Retiring at 70 is essentially just removing retirement.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

I know someone who dropped dead right when they turned 70. They would've enjoyed a week of "retirement" if they were in Denmark.

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 10 points 9 hours ago

I will not take the bait

Option 1

[–] qcop@hexbear.net 22 points 12 hours ago

I choose 35hours per week and retiring at 60.

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