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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is another step in Project 2025

Provoke outrage with the mass deportations, then use that outrage to justify marshal law and deploying the military.

[–] insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't care, I am tired of fighting my autocorrect on every 3rd word.

Fair enough 😀

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[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

The government is at war with the Constitution and the rule of law.

[–] BMW_stick@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Governor Newsome should release a statement that he and his cabinet will be discussing the effects of a possible change in State structure. If the world's 4th largest economy were to secede from the Union, frumpy would be screwed.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Texas will be so pissed. They're threatening to do it for centuries but can't pull it off.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just wondering: if California just stopped paying federal taxes would the net effect be the same? That way they haven't gone through the process of seceding, but at the same time they are refusing to entirely be part of the union.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Also, it was the conservatives who helped weaken unions by making dues optional but forcing the union to represent non-payers anyways. Sounds perfect here. California can just stop paying, but get the protection and benefits of a tax paying state.

Plus, conservatives would absolutely fucking love this if it was Texas threatening not to pay taxes if their money goes to doctors who preform abortions or some other equally absurd shit.

Since we have allowed the Presidency to become a joke why not our whole nation. /S

[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

If California stopped paying taxes, most of the south would be screwed.

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The biggest national security threats are Trump, the Heritage Foundation, MAGA, and Musk

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not only to the nation, The entire world, Humanity, literally anything that is alive.

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[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Trump is the only traitor in this picture.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Brits: this is what will happen if you let Farage in.

Act now to prevent it.

[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Using military on your own citizens… hmmm where have I heard about this before?

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Oh. Last term. Immediately. He deployed the national guard on pipeline protesters, remember?

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[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.

As I understand, this is not a thing the regular Armed Forces can do, correct? I thought that only the National Guard could conduct non-training operations on US soil and/or against US citizens, barring an invasion or secession. Does anyone know more than me about this?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Yes. Out of the federal military branches, only the coast guard can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago

So they fucking should be.

[–] bieren@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago

According to trump anyone that uses more than 0% of their brain and anything about a 3 letter word is in rebellion of him.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They should be. Meanwhile, the governor, while criticizing Trump, was still whitewashing him when he said he would be willing to work with him. That's the thing, fascist dictators will fabricate if they are not able to force a situation, and sometimes that's to handle the situation before it ever gets a chance to materialize. Look at Erdogan and the failed 2016 military coup that basically disarmed any further attempts against him. Trump wants to prevent and punish rebellion because he knows that where he is going to bring the United States is going to instill a lot of it.

States do need to secede, the US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is their only out, and Trump is going to do everything to prevent it. The problem is, a lot of states should be coordinating together on this and falling back to Articles of Confederation between them to retain their autonomy and prevent the subverted military agencies from invading them. It really requires a mindset to resist forcefully if necessary while people are still getting brainwashed through their social network bubbles and the militarized occupation forces are already present. The constitution is no longer in effect, all branches of government are now irrevocably corrupt, and Trump is crowning himself not as a modern king but as the type of king the thirteen colonies rebelled against.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 232 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (32 children)

This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor's consent.

Edited to add: found the law here, it's small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm

If it is invoked, it says:

Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States

But I parse that "shall" to mean the Governor is forced to comply.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 129 points 4 days ago (15 children)

So the trump administration is fully admitting that the insurrection attempting to block the certification of the Presidential election 2021 on Jan 6 was open rebellion?

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 153 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.

Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.

If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won't put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want

Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don't remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it's too tight, turn it some more.

Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.

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[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 65 points 3 days ago

The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.

  • Catch-22, Joseph Heller
[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 164 points 4 days ago (14 children)

our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 76 points 3 days ago (5 children)

ELI5, If Republicans in general don't want federal control, they want de-regulation, then why they are supporting federal control of California?

[–] Wolf 75 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are only against federal control when it's them who are being controlled. They are fine with it happening to other people. It's how they can claim to be pro freedom out of one side of their mouth and anti-freedom with the other. Laws for thee, none for me.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because the Republican Party of smaller government and lower taxes no longer exists. Now we have the MAGA Nazis, who are for lower taxes on the wealthy, higher taxes on the poor/working class, and an much larger, extremely oppressive authoritarian police state. California has a lot of money, and a lot of foreigners, and MAGA wants to control it all.

As far as deregulation goes, that will go to the corporations that pay for it. Corps that play ball will get deregulation, corps that don't play ball, will have their regulations tightened.

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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 125 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Calling it...Trump declares California to be in rebellion and suspends their votes in the electoral college and congress in the next elections.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago

Noem tried to peddle habeas corpus, a legal principle with centuries of legal tradition, as Trump's right to do whatever he wants. Of course they would sell what's going on in LA as whatever fits their agenda.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

STaTeS rIgHtS

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago

Here we go. Buckle up and arm yourselves.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Is there a good argument for why any society not in collapse should submit to any "higher" authority?

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Sounds like bro wants to start the plot to the movie civil war.

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[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

You know what? Yeah. GFY trump.

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 66 points 4 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago

As everyone should be.

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