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They also gonna bring handcuffs so they can cuff themselves for the cops?
I've been doing a lot of work with 50501/Indivisible recently. Because my account is somewhat linked to my real identity I can't be too specific or critical. But here's my take:
"Kool Karyn" is almost definitely a member of Indivisible, a nationwide Liberal anti-Trump org whose membership is almost exclusively old, middle-class, white liberals.
In my (majority-black) city, a majority-black protest of 30 will get drones and snipers and tear gas. Indivisible got 2,500 (almost all older, white) people out at a public park protest and the only cops we saw were probably just on their regular patrols.
I'm gonna punch against the grain: Karen is giving perfectly reasonable advice for her contingent, for the kinds of protests that her organization is organizing. You can criticize their politics, their strategy, their class relations - but cops are not going to drive an AV through a crowd of kneeling white boomers. And the way her post is phrased, at least, does not imply that she is giving general advice to all protestors - just the people going to this particular protest, which will almost certainly be 90% old white libs who are in practically no danger of police violence.
And just like a bunch of black students were shot at Jackson State and no one cared but when a few white students were at Kent State it was suddenly a big deal, if the old white libs do come under fire, the public and media will care. And, for their politics and class position, that's actually somewhat brave - old white libs are never going to riot, but (and trust me, I don't mean this in a hateful way) the most useful things they can do at a protest that is within their temperament and ability is commit to nonviolence and have violence brought unto them by the state.
Fair enough but it's still lib as fuck
This is the essence of "meeting people where they're at", though. You are not going to turn a significant percentage of the white middle class into disciplined Marxists. The material conditions don't exist for it.
It's like, I'm in the PSL and we organize a lot of protests. Our local Indivisible branch is pretty cool as far as Libs go - they're willing to work with us, they're willing to learn, they're pro-trans rights and lean towards Palestine (but Indivisible at the national level forbids local branches from doing Palestine stuff because they're full of Zionists). And they have thousands of members, in a relatively small city.
But recently they've been expressing anxiety to me about liability - that they haven't been able to get event insurance for their protests, that they're being told they need insurance to get permits, that they believe in going through "the proper channels" especially because we live in a Democrat city. They're worried about prosecution or lawsuits because they're professional-class boomers, they have qualifications (legal/medical/engineering/etc.) that can be taken away, they have houses they could lose in a lawsuit, they have kids and grandkids to take care of.
It comes down to material conditions. The more I work with them, the more empathetic I try to be - they're doing what can be expected of them wrt their class position in society. They're not Marxists but they're never going to be.
cops are not going to drive an AV through a crowd of kneeling white boomers
i don't think this is going to last much longer
That just reminds me of the difference in Texas between white people open carrying vs black people
The cops when all of you sit down:
pretty sure that cop faced 0 consequences too
I think he got a settlement lol, it's so fuckin upside down
He got paid? He should have gotten an extra judicial killing
And that on a walkway.
step 1. sit down
step 2. get hit
step 3. shout “thank you for your service” while being beaten
once the cameras broadcast your brave act of patriotic selflessness, CECOT will be shut down, and trump will be defeated, disintegrating into dust in the wind
I once went to a sit-in (UK) against a police powers bill, and police literally started beating people on the floor with their shields. Lots of people got it on video.
The order was given to disperse, most people however continued sitting. The police then advanced with their shield wall and started clobbering/raking people on the floor using bottom of their shields. Truly was one of the most barbaric things I've ever seen.
Here's the footage:
Excuse the cringe beginning, I was only a kid and I was trying out a new 'shtick'. The police violence clips you see weren't recorded by me, but I was there when it all went down - I was just too busy seeing it with my own eyes to record!
From Heaven the Patron Saint of "Good Trouble" - John Lewis - is smiling broadly.
Fucking libs are going to get people killed
Many such cases
#Gandhi
Shut the fuck up
These people love their non-violent heroes as if they weren't all assassinated for it anyway. They always seem to forget that part. Or judging by this response, maybe they actively crave it. "Please blow my brains out/run me over on live TV, think how powerful the images will be!"
This is what you write if you believe what the news says about protests
"let the action ripple through the crowd like a wave" Why don't we have any west wing emotes?
Know what's more powerful than nonviolence?
Violence.
Dear Santa,
For Christmas this year I want the power to wield unlimited violence against the state
Lib protest plans:
Step 1: Get beaten and arrested.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Social progress happens.
Granted Martin Luther king did manage to turn that method into something useful. He just also had a solid step 2 and black nationalism to scare white people with.
a very powerful image for the world - and the cameras - to see
Mf so used to have their consent manufactured they start acting like some country is gonna invade the US to stop them from doing ethnic cleansing if they cry hard enough
I once went to a sit-in (UK) against a police powers bill, and police literally started beating people on the floor with their shields. Lots of people got it on video.
The order was given to disperse, most people however continued sitting. The police then advanced with their shield wall and started clobbering/raking people on the floor using bottom of their shields. Truly was one of the most barbaric things I've ever seen.
Here's the footage:
Excuse the cringe beginning, I was only a kid and I was trying out a new 'shtick'. The police violence clips you see weren't recorded by me, but I was there when it all went down - I was just too busy seeing it with my own eyes to record!
The "no kings" yadda are DNC ops to defelct from their own culpability in enabling this shit. People need to be informed enough that thia isnxt just Trump. It is allowed because the DNC made the laws and funded the pigs.
Navin Gruesome is hand wringing about it when it is his own forces. He is the governor. He controls the cops and national guard.
I remember Obama signing erosions of the constiution, fully knowing it's implications and the Democrats waved away protests of it as "oh don't worry we don't plan to do it under our watch". So people attending these protests need to understand that electing a Democrat will not unfuck what Trump is doing. Just like 
didn't unfuck the first 
bullshit.
December 31, 2011 President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Bill Into Law
While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use the authorities granted by the NDAA, and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations......
“We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,” said Romero. “Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today.
Navin Gruesome is hand wringing about it when it is his own forces. He is the governor. He controls the cops and national guard.
that cowardly fucker should have just countermanded Trump, told the national guard to return to barracks or back to their pool supply shops or whatever. That would have caused some real confusion in the ranks and probably paralyzed the deployment. Even if you're a civility lib the LAPD could handle beating the protesters themselves, there was no reason for the national guard besides Trump and his ego wanting to see blood in the streets. And if trump arrests the governor, so what? unless he fucking executes him for treason he'd be basically a guaranteed future president once trump has a heart attack for that easy move
that cowardly fucker should have just countermanded Trump, told the national guard to return to barracks
There are a lot of reasons to shit on Newsome and the Dems but picking on something they legitimately even in theory have no power over is not the best choice.
The national guard was federalized. He has exactly ZERO power to stop that. He can't tell them to return to barracks anymore than you can the moment that happens. Once federalized they're under the authority of the federal government and his power over them is overridden as they're effectively acting military under the commander in chief. Regardless of what Fox News says Gruesome Newsome is not a charismatic strongman and they're not going to listen to him when they have other orders.
The law is very clear on this. Look up the Little Rock Nine, another case where in that case the state guard was nationalized and ordered back to barracks against the wishes of a racist governor trying to use them to stop black kids from going to integrated schools. That was angry white people trying to stop black kids from being in school with white kids, if it was that simple they would have done it.
We must strive to build our arguments on solid ground, ground that liberals cannot pick apart. Let's rest our case on how Dems did nothing to prevent this, on the Biden incompetence, on his handlers and Dem media hiding his senility and letting them run him again, on how they funded this, passed laws to enable this and compared to Republicans offer nothing but words to resist. The Republicans are showing right now what you can do with power, the same things the Dems refused to even go near which should be used to make clear to liberals that the Democrats are not on their side, that its kayfabe, that there aren't even any good ones. We can look to Gaza and the genocide there and Bernie and AOC who are supposedly the progressive good ones enabling that, defending that. That's where our case is ironclad.
Same with the cops. The cops are funded by blue states, blue cities. They gave them even more money after BLM and did nothing substantial to force reforms (among other things he could have tried to bully the LA board of supervisors into disbanding the Sheriff dept who even compared to notorious LAPD are just completely out of control and have thwarted all efforts at reform) but they did nothing. They could have left Trump with less friends in blue states but they are not on the side of the people and this can be driven home and there is no riposte possible.
I was reading the indivisible founders little manifesto, part 1 and 2, the other day. It's the most boring shit possible, though there's an interesting corruption of mao, intended or not, in the second part:
The truth is that political power resides in many places — from local to state to federal.
Their whole messaging is about calling your local congressman. There's no cohesive ideology, just anti trump and pro dem.
I hope for the best for the protestors but this whole thing seems like a line up and get the shit kicked out of you event for the hogs. I'm in Philly, I know bad opsec, where the big protest is supposed to happen and the fucking cops are looking really excited in center city this past week. They already got an early start at an event this week and showed up and just beat the fuck outta a bunch of people
So basically do what the cops want you to do to arrest you
Everybody get together and line all our heads up at bumper height for the chud doing stocastic terrorism with his cybertruck, guys!
I have been to several indivisible rallies, it's almost all old white people fired up about who loves America the most holding signs for people in cars. 
I really don't get what the plan is for them.
...and while the pigs are busy arresting all of them as a distraction what do the rest of us do?
Oh you mean we all sit down like wimps.
Cause if like a bunch of people did this silly crap in one part of town and some real action happened in say 6 other parts shit could get done.
Nope just sitting. Okay. Should we vote on how to sit? Criss cross applesauce is my favorite style.
Oh, we're just gonna either go with on our knees or full prostrate?
Oh, and we're gonna form human stairs like they did for xerxes in 300 for cops getting out of tanks? Yeah. I think that'll really rattle those fascists!
I mean, this would be a very powerful propaganda piece. The problem is you're not going to get everyone to do it based on vibes, especially not while violence is going on around them. You'd need a lot of people you know are going to do it. Otherwise people will just get trampled
Yes! That's exactly what I was thinking - if this was an organized demonstration where a disciplined group could sit down to be arrested for the cameras, it would be effective propaganda. It can't just be something some big ideas jackass on their computer thought up, with zero connection to the movement on the ground.
You can tell this person has never been in a protest with a police crackdown. Sitting down while being stomped on and tear gassed (because that is what would happen) is an act of discipline, not just some cute display for the cameras.
it would be effective propaganda
I think you overestimate the American public
Well, that's where organization comes in.
An organization could then take this propaganda and rub the pubic's nose it, ensuring that they actually see and understand it.
This just highlights how stupid this libshit is, because they think they can just get beaten by cops and people will naturally see it and care. They think powerful images exist and aren't actually contextually dependent on powerful organization structures to promote them.
Oh God their trampling us with horses!
But think about how powerful the photos will look on Getty Images.
I'm sure the courts will side with us in the police brutality trial!
silence is power
if you believe that then just shut the fuck up already 
The most "ignorance is strength" bullshit
Advice for anyone who wants to be bonked in the head with a stick and put in zip ties by a cop who looks like a giant thumb
These are the same people who thank the cops for protecting them when the protest is over.
Whole 0 Ohms!
If violence breaks out what you do is you go to police academy and join the force because that's the only way you can show the world that you're not violent actually
handcuffs? nah let's just go full Folsom street fair. at least have some fun with it
Only liberal mind can create something as naive as that
I am once again imploring people to read If We Burn by Vincent Bevins
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