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Satire does not work. It just reinforces the thing it's satirising because it is literally the content that its fans want to see.
It sells, because people on one side are entertained by the satire and the people on the other side get the exact content they want reinforcing their beliefs anyway.
I am anti-satire.
Interestingly the hogs in the UK hate this. Daily Mail comments section can be summed up with "This sets women back decades, it's like we're in the 60s/70s again".
Also, I don't see how this is satire.
Sabrina is pretty openly horny and makes horny music, often about how she likes being in subby roles with men. I think she may just like giving head while getting her hair tugged and wrote some music about it.
Lyrics seem tame but I suppose this is mainstream music? I know some uhh... Less tame stuff.
100% I don’t think this is satire it’s just hot
The biggest problem with satire is that people don't know what satire is. "Satire" sucks now because it isn't satirical. Words no longer have meanings, everything is just vibes.
Making an allusion to a concept without any statement at all on that concept? fuck it, that's satire.
You mean something figuratively? fuck it, say literally.
Even prescriptivism is useless, because reading comprehension and media literacy are non-existent.
It's what bad modern day satire has turned into which is just "look at me I'm doing the thing"
Okay but that still suggests some satirical intent. I don't think she's gone that far even, I think she just likes the thing and is doing it.
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This is my least favorite recurring Hexbear take tbh. Not all things dubbed "satire" are the same and didacticism is not the only way.
Do you have examples of useful satire?
I am willing to debate this and reconsider my view but I never see anyone materially demonstrate its usefulness.
did "hey let's eat irish babies" do anything over there or is swift's only legacy being used as a school lesson? they skipped the part where they should've told us if it made a difference.
Honestly have no idea, not one I'm an expert on. Perhaps? I wonder if the efficacy of this style of critique changes depending on society and media literacy rate. Probably? This would also be different historically I assume.
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I just watched a crash analysis video of Air France flight 447 and right before it slams into the ocean the first officer says "This can't be true!"
That's how this post makes me feel
Do you have examples of useful satire
can't believe we're forgetting shrek
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I think satire is only subversive when shared within a subversive subculture. Once satire escapes into the mainstream it stops being subversive and just becomes the thing it is satirizing.
It's just the process of detournament and recouperation, and satire flows both ways.
the way I see it, the problem with satire is that good satire straddles a very very thin line: if you're too subtle, the satirical aspect is lost on the target audience that you're making fun of, but if you're not subtle enough, it's no longer identifiable as a plausible representation of the thing in question, and then it becomes pointless
but see almost anything but outright clownish representation ends up as too subtle unless something else about the work makes it so inapproachable that the only people who bother to consume it are able to pick up on it.
what I find lame about this "satire", as someone who has jokes, is that it is obviously banking heavy on the controversy and titillation of the audience that enjoys overt misogynistic expression anyway. it's lazily doing the thing while claiming it is against the thing. that's not clever. might as well blast the N-word to get everyone's immediate attention and then expect them to recognize the subtext of one's far-less-obvious body of work in anti-racism and begin applauding.
good satire makes the thing it satirized unpalatable to the people it lampoons with shame. it scorns them such that they would not want it shared or seen.
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never even heard of this person before today, so i guess her marketing team figured out how to get people talking.
She’s absolutely massive. About in the level of Chappel Roan and Charli.
Charli is nowhere near as big as those two, she just has a much more dedicated fan base to boost her
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She's one of the biggest pop artists currently and little girls love her music.
This just in: An artist has released |media| that is |controversial|, sexual style
Please, click and share this controversy
Less cynically, good for her. I don't care about her or her music (I'm very picky with my musical tastes), but like, get that bread
Are we sure that there's mass controversy on this, and it's not just two people on Twitter mildly criticizing it, some people replying in agreement and then moving on with their day, and the media blowing it out of proportion?
Monocle-popping outrage about risqué album covers!
The cover in question.
She just dropped a new single called "Manchild". The video is cool.
IDK. I don't have a real dog in this race, BUT, I did enjoy "Short n' Sweet". The track "Please, Please, Please" is entertaining. Something like two thirds of the songs are her bashing on dummies she's dating, and her lyrics suggest she's at least self-aware about dating dummies. 
Okay I see this album cover and immediately go “Oh it’s a kink thing”
“Is women being open about their sexuality bad for feminism?” is a wild take
the album is titled "Man's Best Friend"
spoiler super trvthnova
"man's best friend" probably isn't "feminist".
:::trvthnvke
as always this controversy is just latent transphobia about puppygirls
Short n Sweet's other theme was basically "I like them hot and dumb, and I'm DTF". Bed Chem is just a song about fucking:
And now the next thing I know, I'm like
Manifest that you're oversized
I digress, got me scrollin' like
Out of breath, got me going like (ooh)
Who's the cute boy with the white jacket and the thick accent? Like (ooh, ah)
Maybe it's all in my head
But I bet we'd have really good bed chem
How you pick me up, pull 'em down, turn me 'round
Oh, it just makes sense
How you talk so sweet when you're doing bad things
That's bed chem
How you're looking at me, yeah, I know what that means
And I'm obsessed
Are you free next week? I bet we'd have really good
Come right on me, I mean camaraderie
Said you're not in my time zone, but you wanna be
Where art thou? Why not uponeth me?
See it my mind, let's fulfill the prophecy (ooh)
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Glasgow Women’s Aid, a Scotland-based advocacy organization for women experiencing domestic abuse, slammed Carpenter in a post on Instagram on Thursday calling the album cover “regressive,” and stating it evokes “tired tropes that reduce women to pets, props, and possessions and promote an element of violence and control.” A column in The Telegraph Thursday complained in a headline that Carpenter’s “over-sexed, degrading new album cover has gone too far,” and the writer Poppie Platt noted Carpenter has many young fans and said her marketing is “troubling,” comparing it to TikTok trends like the “trad-wife” aesthetic that promote subservience to men. Some of the most-liked comments on Carpenter’s Instagram post of the album cover were critical. “Is this a humiliation ritual? WTH is this cover,” one comment, which garnered 8,000 likes says, while another commenter stated: “Explain to me again how this isn’t centering men? How this isn’t catering to the male gaze?”
I know next to nothing about Sabrina Carpenter, but why can't the artist express whatever she wants? It would be cool if she did champion a cause and fight the good fight, but if she's a slop merchant then why stop her from making slop?
I don't know anything about her either, but I think this has to do with her being very popular atm, and so many people watching what she does. The cover itself is nothing special, I've seen worse in recent years so I guess it's mostly sensationalism.
From what I have observed, a lot of people saw her as a reclamation of boy-crazed sexuality; thus a sense of betrayal has been formed.
Sounds plausible to me.
but why can't the artist express whatever she wants?
Ugh this may ignite a struggle session, but, I feel like this is a weird sentiment to expression on an ML dominated site? We reject the liberal notion of "freedom of expression" and believe all actions done in the public sphere have an effect on broader society and are worthy of scrutiny. Also we regularly sing the praises of socialist state that have pretty strict regulations on public media, often specifically in regards to sexualized presentations of women.
Now I don't personally have a problem with Sabrina (actually I kinda dig her music), but I think it's Lib to just hand wave this discourse with what basically amounts to 
Record label: has their employee do something misogynistic
Leftists: "why are you policing a woman's sexuality?"
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Iran before the revolution
To me the cover looks like it was designed to provoke and be "controversial" and I guess it's working. She's got an album to sell and people are talking about her, so put a point in her (and her corporate backers') column.
The picture combined with the title is a good bit actually. This will not set feminism back by a decade, not even a single day. Very br*tish thing to complain about
~~Short and sweet is my favorite album from last year and I am not impartial~~
Preemptive 
British org. Priorities check out
It's the perfect cover because it can be both simultaneously to different audiences, creates controversy and engagement which drives publicity, and sells. Companies have been doing this since the invention of the picture record sleeve.
So I do have a question did left wing 3rd wonders influence the prudishness of Gen Z left wingers or is it trumps politics destroying libs brain
I would argue that YOUNG american right wingers don’t care about woman being super explicit and sensual ,older ones hate that
That wasn’t the case 20 years ago
It really does seem like gamergate and trump changed the views of right wingers in America to be really non Christian
i would argue that it's kind of fucked up to frame feminists being upset at a sexist objectifying portrayal of a woman as "prudish". it's nothing new either, feminists were also upset about playboy and half naked photos of starlets and britney spears dancing in school girl outfits 20 years ago. i have noticed some general anti-sex shit in other zoomers ("antis") etc, but this isn't that.
no one (well, no leftists) would have a problem if it were some ripped dude in a speedo making himself out to be an easily taken advantage of himbo; it's not about sex, it's about patterns of misogyny.
Idk what the equivalent word is habibi so I’m using prude as a substitute,I mean to say modest
I know about Britney
And I actually agree with the criticism , I just find it fascinating how times have changed
why are famous named after lies, tailor swift isn't a tailor nor fast, ishowspeed never showed any sense of speed, bill clinton isn't a dollar he's a guy,, and this girl is not even a carpenter she can't even do a pushup right in that cover image???????
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?
WHY IS EVERYTHING JUST LIES IS THAT HOW YOU GET MONEY??? THROUGH DECEIT??? FOR RECEIPT YOU MUST DECEIT??????????????????????????????????? RECEIPTS JUST TELL YOU WHAT YOU USED MONEY ON I DON'T UNDERSTAND I FEEL COLD
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