She needs to ban same sex marriage because she knows her current husband would leave her for a better man.
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They're not religious, they're authoritarian. They want a list of rules they agree with and the justification to use violence against anyone who doesn't confirm to their norms.
For most of human history that was a very successful strategy, and likely why were the only surviving branch of our family tree
If we're going to fight them (and we don't have a choice now), it's worth the short moment to understand how they think.
Marriage is a religious act. It should be banned from all government documents. Domestic partnership should replace all mentions of marriage in government documents and licenses can exist if they are giving tax incentives to have partnerships. If you want to get married and have a wedding and what not that's between the people and their beliefs, not our government. So have a wedding and file for a domestic partnership
The government should not care who you have feelings for, nor should they monitor it. If it is religious prerogative to dictate who should be allowed to be happy with who, then all religious ties must be striped from governing bodies as it is inherently anti the happiness of the people. Which for the U.S., is a direct violation of ones right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
Marriage predates all modern religions. I see no reason to cede it to tyrannical puritans.
I get where you are coming from but this just feels like a semantics argument. Just because it’s called marriage in both venues doesn’t mean it isn’t already functionally exactly the way you put it. My spouse and I got married legally a year before our (non-religious) wedding because of the pandemic, the two don’t have to happen at the same time.
It's a semantics argument that's worked in the past, to some extent. Before the supreme court made same-sex marriage legal nationally, some states introduced "civil unions" as an alternative to marriage for same sex couples. They were often functionally identical to marriage, but since they weren't called marriages you could get some conservatives to approve them. Not enough to get them passed in red states, but enough to tip the balance in swing states.
My parents had a civil union before they got married. It was very much not the same including not being able to file taxes together and only being recognized in one state.
They are separate, but the term marriage is often what people fight over.
For example the Catholic Church, the largest sect of Christianity, leader believed that domestic partnerships should be allowed and protected. But the term marriage held a "sanctity" to the church and thus they did not believe in marrying them within the religion.
So if you took the term marriage out of the documents, the issue becomes "I don't believe others should have rights that I have" and even their religion doesnt agree with them. Thus the bullshit of hiding behind freedom of religion to hate/persecute others starts to dissolve.
👏Separation 👏of 👏Church 👏and 👏state
Yeah. I said for decades the solution wasn't to recognize gay marriage, but to stop recognizing all marriages.
Half the US could not possibly care less about others’ lives, liberties, or pursuits of happiness. Nor could most of their leadership.
She's gay. That's what this all boils down to, she's a closeted homosexual. No one can convince me otherwise.
Because it ALWAYS ends like that. Anyone who is anti-abortion? probably had a few. Protect the kids from drag queens, sex games, porn? is a pedophile. Someone who is tooth and nail anti-LGBTQ? they're always in the closet.
A dude I grew up with was FURIOUSLY homophobic. We watched the movie Big Daddy, everyone loved it but him. “Nah, I’m leaving. I can’t stand that queer shit. The movie would have been just fine without it.”
In his 20s he lost his damn mind. He wouldn’t watch television, terrified that he’d have to see something gay. He shut down completely, stopped hanging out with people.
Well, he met a girl in an online game, they got married. A gay dude moved into their neighborhood, wife came home and caught him blowing the dude.
Now he’s out of the closet.
He said it was exhausting always feeling like he was going to be outed. You could seriously make him leave a party by just mentioning something about gay people. He’d get super pissed, make a scene, then leave.
I remember him fighting a friend for making a joke (maybe he wasn’t joking) about them having a sexual encounter. I mean, it was brutal. Held him down at my front door choking him screaming, “you tell the goddamn truth! I ain’t never touched you removed!”
I laughed at him when he came in my store with his boyfriend. I said, “Dude, you fucking haaaaated gay people.”
He replied, “nah man, I fucking hated myself.”
That is sad. Just fucking sad.
He probably got brought up by very conservative parents. It's always the parents that fuxk up their kids the most.
Yep. His dad was a preacher and I never seen his mom wear anything but dresses that looked like they were pulled from a museum.
I'm somewhat sympathetic to folks like him, we all find our own way and some have a more direct path than others, but I do get frustrated how a lot of gay folks like that center themselves in their stories. They may have hated themselves most, but they hated the rest of us too, they may have been targeting themselves, but they hurt the rest of us too. They get big and loud when they're homophobic, but when they accept themselves many get small and quiet, when they've got some karma to work back.
This is a bad take, you're effectively blaming gay folks for their own oppression whilst erasing the fact that most homophobes are indeed straight.
Protect the kids from drag queens, sex games, porn? is a pedophile.
Or simply ignorant. That blanket statement needs evidence.
Someone who is tooth and nail anti-LGBTQ? they're always in the closet.
Similar to the above.
I truly wonder what will happen with my marriage if this comes to pass. We got married before I had a legal name and gender change, and they generally don’t reissue marriage certificates for name changes, so I still have the old one that is ‘straight’ on paper. Will we still be married if SCOTUS kills gay marriage? Will we be married only if nobody finds out I transitioned? Will filing our taxes as a couple flag our marriage? And I’m sure a bunch of other shit I haven’t even realized I need to worry about yet.
This hurts reading it...
LMFAO why is it ALWAYS a wild ride with these people
Davis has been married four times to three husbands
Her third husband is the biological father of the twins, the children being conceived while Davis was still married to her first husband. The twins were adopted by Davis's current husband, Joe Davis, who was also her second husband; the couple initially divorced in 2006 but later remarried
Davis says she experienced a religious awakening in 2011, following her mother-in-law's dying wish that she attend church.[13] Since then Davis has identified herself as a Christian, belonging to the Apostolic Pentecostal movement,[199] which favors what they describe as a literal interpretation of the Bible.[200] She worships three times a week[201] at the Solid Rock Apostolic Church near Morehead.[13][202] Following her conversion, Davis let her hair grow long, stopped wearing makeup and jewelry, and began wearing skirts and dresses that fall below the knee, in keeping with Apostolic Pentecostal tenets regarding outward holiness and modest dress.[98][202] She also held a weekly Bible study for female inmates at the local jail.[13][202] In an interview in January 2016, Davis said that she believed that "we are living in end times."[203] Davis also expressed her view that the Bible is infallible.[203]
these people are simply fucking nutjobs, absolute messes
Solid rock apostolic church.
Pretty sure the bible says do not worship in houses of stone with idols of wood or stone that cannot taste or smell.
You gotta understand her position. If the gays keep getting married, they'll run out of marriages and she wont be able to have a fifth.
So many people I’ve known had said to me in the last cycle that this wouldn’t happen. So so many. I tried to tell them. It still wasn’t enough. They didn’t believe me and now here we are.
Saw this elsewhere on Lemmy yesterday, about sums it up:
Didn’t she also get pregnant while having an affair? I don’t think the sanctity of marriage is all that important to her.
that woman is kim davis, she has been fighting her refusal to give gay couple a marriage certificate for 10years, after the story first broke like 10years ago, she was initially sanctioned, but the 1st trump administration has emboldened her, and she is suing again and again, and bankrolled by far right groups. Now she is, through a right wing group bankrolling her, to overturn the scotus ruling over this.
Yeah she's a conservative.
Don't worry. Even if this shitty person gets this through, we're all doomed anyway.
I try to find the silver lining in all things. Also, gallows humor. I hate the world. Luckily, I love myself.
I hope she gets hit by a bus before this shit gets any further though.
I hope she gets hit by a bus before this shit gets any further though.
I didn't think Kentucky had public transit
Fine... lifted oversized pickup with no line of sight and truck nuts... much more likely
I wanna know what dumbasses married this vile bitch. Fuckin hell man.
She's almost certainly a child molester herself. Extreme Christian views are a pretty safe giveaway.
At this point she’s a puppet
Be aware that divorce is also on their list of things to ban. I'm sure she would also be able to argue against that without blinking.
In her defense, her fourth marriage is straight, while my only marriage is gay /s
Regarding the state, marriage should be all or nothing. Consenting adults should be able to marry whomever and however many they wish or no one can get married. Personally, I don’t think the government should be involved in marriage at all. I would rather see some other options or protections put in place (if they don’t exist already) for couples who choose to become serious but do not wish to “make it legal.”
I already told my wife that she was it. We got married because her family is traditional and we got tax breaks.
The tax breaks are nice, if I’d known how good they’d be, I’d have married my best friend years ago and just gotten divorced when we found our current wives.
Her again? I thought I'd heard the last of Kim Davis
And she's ugly on the outside. Anyways, where's the Epstein tapes you orange child fucker.
It's honesty difficult to argue any sexual ethics with the new testament except for celibacy until the second coming of Jesus. Marriage is for the weak.
I do not think that word mean what you think it means...
Lol, "sanctity", coming from this person 🤣
So which or how many of her ex-husbands turned gay after dealing with her I wonder. Her past and present actions are so unbelievable, that much hatred… seems personal.