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[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 154 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

Bro myopia is the least stupid part of our eye design problems. Our retinas are built entirely backwards for no other reason besides evolution making a mistake and then duct taping over it too much to fix it later.

If your retina was the right way around (like cephalopod eyes) you would have:

  • No blind spots
  • Higher fidelity vision even with the same number of receptors since the nerves and blood vessels wouldn’t interfere like they do now
  • much lower likelihood of retinal detachment since you could attach it for real in the first place
  • possibility for better brightness/darkness resolution since blood supply could be greater without affecting light passage
  • possibility for better resolution because ganglion nerves can be packed more densely without affecting light passage
  • The ability to regenerate cones and rods because you could, again, ACTUALLY HAVE SUPPORT CELLS WITHOUT BLOCKING LIGHT TO THE RETINA

Our eyes are built in the stupidest way possible.

Another fun fact: retinol is regenerated by your liver. Not your eyes, not some part of your brain, not some organ near your head like your thalamus which could probably get the job done if it tried, your fucking liver. Your eyes taking a while to adjust to the dark has basically nothing to do with your eyes; it’s because of the delay in adjustment by your fucking liver to produce more retinal, dump it into your vascular system and wait for it to hopefully reach your eyes. Why are we built like this?!


Edit: A few comments asked for sources on the relation between dark adaptation and liver vitamin A. So I went looking for sources. It was honestly somewhat difficult to find information, but I was able to find two different case studies showing that night blindness in patients with damaged livers. Specifically these individuals had liver damage that affected their serum Vitamin A levels. And after raising their vitamin A levels, their symptoms improved.

This study details a patient with normal day vision and no other ocular problems besides being unable to see at night.

The patient had a medical history of stage 4 non-alcoholic liver cirrhosis, which led to a malabsorption of vitamin A, as confirmed by the very low vitamin A level in the serum analysis… …Subjective improvement in symptoms, along with better performance on visual field, were noted after initiating oral vitamin A supplementation for 6 months.

This study details a patient with night blindness caused by low levels of vitamin A presumably due to Hepatitis C.

Case description: This case describes a 64-year-old female patient with symptomatic VAD, likely secondary to liver cirrhosis in the setting of Hepatitis C. The patient presented with night blindness and blurry vision. She was successfully managed with direct replacement of Vita-min A.

These studies do show that dark adaptation is dependent on vitamin A produced by the liver, but I’ll be the first to admit it’s not exactly conclusive evidence of my initial claim that the liver must respond to dark conditions increasing retinol concentration in the blood in order for rod cells to function properly in low light conditions. That is a possible explanation for these case studies but not necessarily the only one, so take my last fun fact with a grain of salt.

[–] scarilog@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another fun fact: retinol is regenerated by your liver. Not your eyes, not some part of your brain, not some organ near your head like your thalamus which could probably get the job done if it tried, your fucking liver. Your eyes taking a while to adjust to the dark has basically nothing to do with your eyes; it’s because of the delay in adjustment by your fucking liver to produce more retinal, dump it into your vascular system and wait for it to hopefully reach your eyes.

This is fascinating, I had no idea that there was another mechanism at play to improve low light vision other than pupil dilation

[–] lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or that it got stuck in the figurative basement organ where a silly amount of bio-chemistry is stuck because evolution kinda shrugged a few million years ago.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago

Just one more reaction, bro, I promise, I'm not just making up new organic compounds for fun.

[–] hansolo 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe if we eat more cephalopods, our eyes will turn into their good eyes?

That's how that works, right?

[–] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's how you get a certain pissed-off Elder God to wake up from his dark dreaming down in the sunken ruins of R'lyeh..

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[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I’m reading this with my poorly designed eyes right now!

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Source that retinal concentration is related to dark adaptation?

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not OP and I'm not an expert, but I know that the production of rhodopsin requires retinal. Rhodopsin is a light-sensitive protein our eyes use to see in low-light conditions, and is essential for our night vision. Retinal and retinol are not the same thing, but they both come from Vitamin A, and convert into each other during the visual cycle. Which means that a deficiency in Vitamin A = a deficiency in retinol, retinal, and rhodopsin, which in effect leads to night blindness.

But I'd like to know more/get a source for OP's liver connection. I know most of our retinol is stored in the liver. However, I'm having difficulty verifying their claim that the delay in night vision onset is due to it traveling from the liver to the eyes. From what I can find, the retinol ligand that produces rhodopsin already exists in mammalian eyes (and persists there as part of the aforementioned visual cycle.) So the argument that night vision takes so long because retinol needs to transfer from the liver to the eyes is suspect.

Unfortunately, search engines absolutely suck these days, and almost every article I can find is behind a fucking paywall. So I'm struggling to find information that can either confirm or deny OP's claim.

OP, please provide a source! Inquiring minds want to know more!

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

From the point of intelligent design:

We see that there is different sensory focuses. For instance many animals can smell and hear much better than humans do. Some animals have exceptionally better eyes than humans, but overall humans are very focused on vision.

Now when we look at modern inner city environments and the like. Would you think it to be actually better if our senses, particularly our eyes were that much better and delivering even more input to our brains? We already see many people that are overwhelmed in terms of their sensory input and frankly the ones that aren't still suffer slowly from living in cities. In terms of where we are now, i don't think it is too bad that we don't have hawk eyes.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I live with, work with, and am myself part of, the autistic population. So I gotta agree - sometimes, higher sensitivity is a real detriment.

It's not fun being light-sensitive. I've had days where I've worn sunglasses indoors, with the lights off and curtains closed. The vast majority of my days aren't that bad, thankfully, but it truly sucks when light causes physical eye pain and headaches. I've got a great eye for detail (and have been called "eagle eye" throughout my life), which benefits me in a number of ways, but unfortunately it also means I get distracted by things others don't notice. I can't just "ignore" a lot of things, and when those distractions impact me disproportionately, I'm left in the frustrating situation of guiding others to see (or hear, or feel) the things that are super obvious to me - it feels like leading a child by the hand.

I'm also sensitive to touch (I can't stand light touch, but I can detect ticks on my skin before they bite) and have the ability to hear novel speech sounds that modern science claims I should've lost the ability to detect decades ago (which, okay, is a cool feature to have. But it contributes to being easily-distracted.) All in all, I've never known any other way of experiencing the world, but I do know that most people have difficulty understanding my atypical point of view. Which leads to me preferring the company of fellow spectrumites, and others who understand and accept sensory differences.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Evolution: bruh all that matters is that you are a horndog.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago

dat pelvis 🫦

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's so weird thinking about how we're just copying DNA. That's pretty much the purpose of life; replicate these strange molecules as much as possible. Consciousness is some unintended byproduct of the 'copy forever' algorithm.

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

no but honestly, periods are great. The feeling when all that extra blood leaves your body is amazing. Guys will never know what it's like being somewhere and sudenly feeling warmth blood running down your legs out of nowhere. Amazing. 10/10 would ome back as a woman again

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 25 points 1 week ago

I honestly don’t know any proponents of “intelligent design” who are female.

Except the Sycophantic Patriarchal TERFs who do everything their husbands tell them to do.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Triggered lmao. A flood of memories just came back like

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I cannot describe how much I hate this feeling. It’s probably honestly been protective because I have another reason to always use condoms, and even when I’m drunk, I’m still autistic.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I forget who but a comedian said it well. If we were intelligently designed it was the first design. Why would they ever put the amusement park right next to the sewage system?

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel like if there ever was an advertisement park it would be perfectly placed right next to the sewage system.

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[–] razorcandy@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Optimization was never the goal. It just has to function well enough for a sufficient portion of the species to reproduce.

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally the evolutionary equivalent of "eh, good enough"

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Evolution is an optimisation process, just a very slow, wasteful and stupid one. It finds local optima which it usually gets stuck in.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

evolution is the epitome of "good enough, ship it!"

[–] ouRKaoS 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This D&D alignment chart is weird...

[–] Nelots@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't think I'd put wisdom teeth in lawful good personally.

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[–] scytale@piefed.zip 31 points 1 week ago (9 children)

What’s the smart nerve taking a detour one?

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And it does that for both humans... And giraffes. Going from the brain, several meters down to the heart, then all the way back up to the larynx.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Isn't that just a way to average latency to match up with the other limbs? Nerve connections aren't instantaneous like electrical wires or fiber optics.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

Your larynx isn't really a limb... But nah, its an evolutionary artefact. In primordial fish it's a straight line, but then the head moves, a neck forms, etc etc. and the nerve can't detach and move over, so it gets longer wnd weirder.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Brain usually does that kind of sync on its own. Your conscious experience of reality is actually very slightly in the past because of that.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, Appendicitis is when your Appendix, a vestigial organ which produces small amounts of Vitamin C, randomly explodes and kills you.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I heard it's actually fairly useful for your gut bacteria or smth like that

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thought that knee diagram was a pelvis at first glance and was wondering how that was related to sports.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Mmh, pelvis sports.

[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Human body is worse than all the JS npm drama shit

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You forgot the nose when sleeping! It produces snoring, giving your location and sleep status away to nearby predators!

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[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Who the fuck would design ingrown nails??

[–] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to argue this stuff online. I had to quit for my sanity. If anyone wants a sample of the absolute insane beliefs and the staggering amount of handwaving these people are capable of, I suggest checking out evolutionfairytale.com. They will unironically claim to be objective, then a sentence later tell you that "proper science literature" is to be discredited because it has a pro-evolution bias. 🤣

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[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wisdom teeth were amazing to have back when dental care didn't exist and our teeth fell out from decay or injuries.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'm sorry gotta go on a tangent rant I was recently talking to a friend about pregnancy and it is fucking mind boggling. Organs shift, skeleton changes, and then all the crazy chemical stuff going on too.

The fact that millions of women want this and many experience it more than once is just mind boggling to me.

Eta: sorry my tangent was inspired by "childbirth is fun" but only showing the pelvis.

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

It's intelligent design; the divine is also just sadistic and a dick.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone recently pointed out the bottom left one is because we can see color better with our eye design.

Are the other ones still valid?

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"See color better" is because 30+ million years ago one of our ancestors was born with a chromosomal mutation that duplicated the DNA sequence for the red/green cone cells in the retina. That individual had the same color perception as everybody else, but over millions of years the duplicated sequences were able to diverge their peak wavelength receptivities into red and green respectively, allowing better discrimination of colors in that range.

Interestingly, that individual 30+ million years ago would likely have shown characteristics similar to today's Down's Syndrome people, due to the chromosomal duplication. It's a prime example of why eugenics is so horrifically misguided.

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