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Republicans currently hold a trifecta in New Hampshire, with GOP majorities in the House and Senate and a Republican occupying the governor’s mansion. But control of the House — the largest in the country with 400 members — sits on a knife’s edge. There are 198 Republicans and 195 Democrats, three independents, and four vacant seats.

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Republicans “claim that they don’t want to ban abortion anymore, and that they don’t want to change the 24 week ban. And here we are, with a bill from sponsors in both chambers, trying to move the ban to 15 days,” says Alexis Simpson, deputy minority leader of the New Hampshire House. Simpson pointed to other proposals floated by GOP members to restrict abortion, including a Texas-style abortion bounty law in 2021, and 15-week ban that is expected to be introduced in the upcoming session.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they do. The GOP hates women.

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[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right wing: I shouldn't have to get a vaccine or wear a mask! Respect my bodily rights!

Also the right wing: I personally get to dictate what happens with every single womb.

[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if they couldn't afford a kid they shouldn't have had one - - also right wing

[–] uis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This one said "State didn't ask you to give birth". She was beurocrat, but she was "walked away" after this.

You know, fired from Gestapo for cruelty.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They will go as extreme as possible.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love that these fuckwits haven’t come to terms with the fact that most Americans hate this policy, and all it does is drive out the vote for the Dems.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

They have, that's why they're turning the anti-democratic actions up to 11

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's very telling they they're floundering on this and can't get consistent messaging. The party has fallen apart in most meaningful ways. The Republican Party of 2012 would've had analyst and strategist approved talking points given to every Republican to parrot. They'd have a consistent national campaign of bullshit.

Not only are the strategists being ignored, I think a lot of them have flat out left since 2016. If they weren't far right to start, there's a good chance they've been disgusted and quit.

This isn't to say we should be complacent. A wounded animal is the most dangerous. But they are wounded, and a few good attacks will end them.

[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But this proposed law does not ban abortion 15 days after ovulation — it bans abortion at 15 days gestation, counted from the first day of a woman’s last menstrual cycle… which means it would ban abortion before some woman have even had conceived.

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yep, thats how you normaly count:

Your weeks of pregnancy are dated from the first day of your last period. This means that in the first 2 weeks or so, you are not actually pregnant.

https://www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/week-by-week/1-to-12/1-2-3-weeks/

The title is wrong. The two weeks end two weeks before the tests can detect it.

[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Which also means that you can just go ahead and subtract 2-4 weeks (at least, subtract more if you're not super regular or your christofascist overlords require a waiting period between an initial consultation and the procedure itself) from any of these laws. So far, i've only seen one that uses the "probable fertilization" date instead (but to be honest, idk how they determine that date so there could be some fuckery there too).

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This in the state of "Live Free or Die"?

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

But first, get permission

[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The way they behave I think they meant to use "and" instead of "or".

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They chose die

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[–] Pat_Riot 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Women are nothing but livestock to these people. There only to make more babies to feed to the capitalist machine. Their god has made women to be property, with no franchise, no rights, no purpose but to be bred and do work beneath them, like raising those babies and cooking and keeping a home for their owners. It makes no difference to them if that woman is their mother, their sister or their daughter.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it looks like 50 percent of the US voting population is on their side. Including a lot of women.

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Gerrymandering and senate bias toward less populous states just make it look that way.

[–] Hellbent@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve called and left a voicemail for the one of the two bill sponsors. Two don’t have numbers in their gencourt pages and the senators phone goes to an assistants voicemail. You can be damned sure I’m calling my local reps tomorrow.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm so angry at these fucks.

Even if nothing ultimately comes from these bs laws, it wastes so much time and effort. I believe intentionally so. Keep progressives too busy putting out their flaming turd bags to actually make much progress.

Either way they fycking win while we argue and make jokes and fear for our futures.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Weird, the gaslighters kept telling us that Republicans would not steal rights if Roe was repealed.

Meanwhile, if I take a look around, you have stuff like this, AND Republicans rubbing their hands together in glee thinking about messing with BIRTH CONTROL and LGBT rights as well...

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A new American Family Survey finds that nearly half of Republicans said they would prefer a national policy on abortion, instead of letting each state decide.

Among Republicans, that’s nearly 10 points higher than when the same question was asked last year.

https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/5/23971521/american-family-survey-2023-abortion-national-policy

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Either it enshrines abortion rights, or Republicans will discover everything so far has been child's play. They'll see a backlash that's record setting.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

To be fair, conservatives don’t understand anything about human reproductive organs.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the point is to allow contraceptive and day after pills, but ban any sort of actual abortion. I'd guess it's to address folks who believe birth control is abortion. I'm not sure if this is eyerollingly stupid or part of a devious strategy that's going somewhere serious.

To be clear, fuck these idiots, but I want to know if we need to defend against some new avenue of attack.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At what point does the right ban a woman saying no to sex? After all, if contraception is redefined as abortion, then a woman refusing to have sex with a guy is "aborting" the potential baby they could have had together.

I guess I shouldn't give the right ideas.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Too soon unfortunately

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 year ago

It's probably meant to make the 6-week-bans look "reasonable"

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

See how fast the rest of New England turns New Hampshire into a pariah.

[–] raptir@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes sense, 24 hours to make a decision is plenty.

And of course women should be taking pregnancy tests daily just in case.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if you caught a pregnancy at the 15 day mark a lot of the paperwork and diagnosis will mark that as the 4 week mark. The clock sort of officially starts from your last period so for the first two weeks-ish of a pregnancy you aren't ACTUALLY pregnant.

There isn't really a functional 15 day abortion option because the earliest you can catch a pregnancy is at official week four. Conception itself is really hard to track exactly so they just tag the whole thing to the last obvious biological proof a person wasn't pregnant.

Which means this isn't a "get thee to a doctor" move. It's a "they know this fact is essentially no different in function than a full ban but it kinda sounds like it's not if you never did your homework ."

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You bet! Maybe they can add chemicals right into the toilet water so it changes color for a + test.

I'm sure they could make testing chemical tablets just like the cleaning tablets.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That actually sounds kind of cool.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Quoth the Privs: "bUt DeMs SaMe!"

[–] Hellbent@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here are the Nh gencourt pages for the 4 bill sponsors. If you live in NH I encourage you to call them AND your reps as well.

rep Testerman

rep Sellers

rep Perez

sen Gendreau

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any idea what is supposed to be in the center of that tshirt?

[–] probablynaked@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a rock formation that was emblematic of the state, even appearing on their state quarters

It actually fell apart shortly before the quarter came out iirc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Mountain

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's pretty emblematic of the Republican party, actually.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A group of Republicans from both the state House and Senate have announced plans to introduce a bill that would ban almost all abortions after just 15 days gestation.

Earlier this year, members of both the Republican and Democratic caucuses voted to remove criminal and civil penalties associated with that ban, and prohibit the state from further restricting the practice.

Two-thirds of voters in New Hampshire support keeping abortion legal in all or most cases, according to the most recent Pew Research data, and at least one of the bill’s co-sponsors, Rep. John Sellers, is in a vulnerable seat after winning by just four votes in 2022.

The proposed ban is notable in part because just a few weeks ago New Hampshire’s Committee to Elect House Republicans declared that the state’s abortion laws were just as liberal as neighboring Massachusetts.

Reached for comment by Rolling Stone, GOP Rep. Jason Osborne, chairman of the committee, called House Bill 1248-FN “no-chance legislation supported by only a few fringe members.”

And here we are, with a bill from sponsors in both chambers, trying to move the ban to 15 days,” says Alexis Simpson, deputy minority leader of the New Hampshire House.


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