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[–] rah@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Wow, 40% are happy with the UK staying outside the EU. That's a lot of people, especially given the continuous stream of newspaper articles crying how terrible and disasterous brexit has allegedly been.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably because rejoining now means it'll be on very different terms. Luxuries like keeping the Pound would go away

[–] knatsch@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While the UK had a bunch of luxuries, keeping the pound wasn't one of them. Eurozone != EU

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago

Every EU member is obliged to join the eurozone. The EU members who have not yet done so are still to meet the convergence criteria, with the only exception being Denmark who obtained a special exemption (along with the UK) during the negotiation of the original Maastricht treaty.

On the flipside, although Sweden is technically obliged to join the eurozone eventually, it has avoided doing so by intentionally not fulfilling the convergence criteria (by not joining ERM2). Most political parties in Sweden acknowledge it would be in everyone's best interest to join but a national referendum rejected the euro in 2003. The EU seems content to let them do whatever for the time being, so maybe the UK could chart a similar course if it were to rejoin, hypothetically.

Honestly, an overwhelming percentage of that 40% are likely old racist people.

[–] rich@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

I know many people, in the older generation, who would still vote for Brexit.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You forget not everyone bothers with the news.

[–] doctorfinlay@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, reading facts gets in the way of good old fashioned jingoism!

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Thing is, not all facts are true. And once you think you're being lied to, there's little chance of being convinced otherwise.

[–] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

not all facts are true

wat

[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Alternative facts!

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Something someone claims as a fact could actually be a lie. Eg, "72% of statements people make on the internet are false" is false, but sounds like a fact to those unaware.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thing is, not all facts are true.

That seems to be contrary to the standard definition of "fact". Perhaps you meant to say:

People aren't always right when they state something as fact.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago

Okay, to be pedantic, "not all things presented as fact are true"

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Well that sure changes the message of your first comment..

[–] omginput@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They wanted to go, now they should have to live with it.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

id rather international politics be based on whats beneficial as opposed to whatll punish people best

[–] Rakust@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Still can't believe we voted to leave. Madness.

[–] Styxie@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It could be 90% in favour of rejoining, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. The EU would need to see strong, long term cross-party support in Westminster before they'd consider it. The EU know that otherwise the issue is just going to keep re-emerging in UK politics so long as the Tories are ideologically opposed to the EU. I think the best chance the UK has is if the modern Tory party stopped being relevant electorally, because their membership's views aren't likely to change, and everyone in the EU institutions hates them for the damage their governments have done over the last 7 years.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I also would be really surprised if the EU would offer the same favourable terms the UK had before. Most likely they would need to show their willingness to integrate more in the union than they did before.

  • They might not be willing to rejoin as equals though.

  • If the trashy newspapers start doing their thing again, they’ll reduce that percentage successfully.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] idkwhatimdoing@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] A2PKXG@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago

This looks french. We can't allow that

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] LiquorFan@pathfinder.social 1 points 2 years ago

Of course we do. As long as they accept the Euro and change road signs to metric. I honestly don't know which one would feel worse for the English.

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think we do. Both the EU and the UK are weaker apart. I doubt politicians will have hard feelings about it, especially when there's money on the line. And like it or not the UK is a huge economy at least by European standards.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

EU is stronger without the cancer that UK was, we don't need to import yet another Hungary/Poland.

[–] elouboub@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

You're getting downvotes, but the current way the UK is run doesn't exclude another Brexit. Their anti-immigrant, pro-business, anti-privacy, anti-human rights party in a two-party system with a constitutional monarchy will be a bane to the EU.

I'd much rather see the UK broken up and the individual countries make a decision on joining. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland could secede and write their own, new constitution that does away with the monarchy and something like single transferable voting (anything but "first past the post" which leads to two party systems).