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Pregnant people in New York would have 40 hours of paid leave to attend prenatal medical appointments under a new proposal by Gov. Kathy Hochul after the state’s legislative session kicked off this week.

The Democrat’s plan to expand the state’s paid family leave policy, which would need to be approved by the state Legislature, aims to expand access to high-quality prenatal care and prevent maternal and infant deaths in New York, an issue that especially affects low-income and minority communities.

The U.S. infant mortality rate, a measure of how many babies die before they reach their first birthday, is worse than other high-income countries, which experts have attributed to poverty, inadequate prenatal care and other possibilities. The U.S. rate rose 3% in 2022 — the largest increase in two decades, according to a 2023 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I really wish someday there would be more a push for paid leave for EVERYONE.

I do not begrudge parents paid parental leave and think it should be offered. But it would be nice if someone were to consider doing something, anything for the rest of us. Instead, we only get the extra work of picking up the slack.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 10 months ago (12 children)

This is leave to attend prenatal medical appointments, not vacation time. They don’t schedule those for funsies, it’s to see if you or your fetus might die.

Like, yes, everyone deserves more time off. At the same time, prenatal healthcare in the US is inaccessible for many and it has lifelong or even deadly consequences. Framing this as a “time off” issue instead of an “able to afford access to medical care” issue is missing what’s causing the need for this in the first place.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Do you think pregnant people are the only ones that need to go to the doctor? They could still make it medical only and apply to everyone.

And medical care or vacation, you think the rest of us don’t have to pick up the slack just the same?

The fact is, the US is doing it wrong. Other countries have more generous family leave, but it is a government benefit, not employer-paid. That often lets employers hire temporary replacements regather than be short staffed. Also, they offer ample vacation benefits so everyone else isn’t burnt out.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (32 children)

As someone who chose not to have kids, I still support special PTO and medical leave for people who decide to have kids.

The population is aging where I live, and I would like to incentivize people to make future tax payers and future people that I can pay to wipe my ass when I’m old.

The next generation is an investment in my future wellbeing even if I didn’t have kids.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, they always have to carve out this stuff for deserving people, and it's just making things more complicated and divisive.

This mindset of absolutely making sure nobody could possibly abuse something is really terrible policy.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I vote every one gets 200 hours of paid leave a year, with no questions asked unless it’s sudden. (Then some brief vague questions about why.)

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Perhaps those 40 hours should be available to anyone who needs doctors' appointments during the workday. Which is when doctors' offices are open, after all. You could go get a mammogram or prostate exam instead of an ultrasound. You could pee in a cup for entirely different reasons than testing for preeclampsia.You could get an IUD or a vasectomy or abortion (*not available in all states) so you won't need the prenatal care. You could get swabbed for strep throat and get antibiotics, or get vaccinated to prevent spreading viruses.

Maybe we could stretch it to eye exams and dental work, even though they are otherwise excluded from "medical" care.

While we're at it, nonsmokers should have a place to go (on the opposite side of the building from the smoke-break area) for 10 minutes of deeply breathing fresh air.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago (22 children)

The US, the last western country lacking maternity leave. Compare that to what other countries do, providing months of maternity leave.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's a shame the entire country doesn't have it, but many states including New York do already. One advantage of a federal system I guess.

Here's a summary of parental leave by state if curious.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/maternity-leave-laws-by-state/

There really should be a national requirement though.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The Federal FMLA is unpaid yes. Many individual states have their own paid leave policies though. The link I posted shows you the policies in each state.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Don't be harsh. They have to give all their money to Israel. There is very little left for US citizens.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 3 points 10 months ago

Regardless of the implications of what happens with the aid that's given to Israel, it's a tiny slice of the federal budget. It has absolutely zero to do with why we don't prioritize taking care of our citizens' health.

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[–] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Chiming in from Canada, wife and I are about to go on parental leave for our first child. I'm taking 3 months, she's taking 18.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I work with a lot of American vendors from Canada and we recently all said congrats and goodbye to a project manager on the vendor side who was taking her mat leave. When I came back from vacation I was surprised to see her in the weekly meeting... she had less mat leave than I have vacation.

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[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The U.S. infant mortality rate [...] is worse than other high-income countries, which experts have attributed to poverty, ...

the wealth gap gets bigger every day.

[–] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Not dying to preventable medical complications? Sounds like fucken' communism to me.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Should be closer to 6 or 7 days to meet prenatal visit recommendations, but not bad. Prenatal care disparities is thought to be a major contributing factor in just why so many black women die in childbirth.

[–] Ibex0@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate the effort, but the nationwide infant mortality rate is lead by Republican states.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_infant_mortality_rates

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wooo hooo, MASSACHUSETTS!

.. omg, there are ten states that are more than double?

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Breaking news - New York to upgrade human rights to 20th century lol

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The proposal above isn't about paid parental leave which New York already has (and it's even more flexible than that actually and can be applied to other situations besides a new child), it's about adding additional paid time off while pregnant to help with prenatal care appointments and things.

Here's more info on New York's current paid leave laws if curious: https://paidfamilyleave.ny.gov/

They're already more flexible than just parental leave, but glad they're adding some time while pregnant as another situation of guaranteed paid leave.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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