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Mr Biden’s speech is his first major campaign event of the 2024 election season

President Joe Biden marked the third anniversary of the January 6 attack on the Capitol by warning that the issue of American democracy will be “what the 2024 election is all about,” as he runs against former president Donald Trump once more.

Mr Biden, who spoke near the Valley Forge historical site where George Washington and the Continental Army were encamped during the winter of 1777 and 1778, told attendees that they were there “to answer the most important of questions: Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?”

“This isn’t rhetorical, academic, or hypothetical. Whether democracy is still America’s sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time,” he said.

Mr Biden said his speech, his first major event of the 2024 election season, was “deadly serious,” and about a topic that needed to be raised at the outset of his campaign.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

1/6 - Never Forget.

This is the consequence of putting conservatives in power.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not only that, but if they get in power again, there won't be a "next time."

Project 2025 - Never Forget.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, Hitler's first coup failed as well.

Massive efforts deprogramming cultist behavior needs to be priority. How does one get through to these people, or do you just write them off as broken and focus on those you can save or still on the fence? (we know this is the strategy of the Right, after all).

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How does one get through to these people, or do you just write them off as broken and focus on those you can save or still on the fence?

The only tactic I'm familiar with that can actually get through to the self-centered conservatives is called Deep Canvasing, and it's quite effective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_canvassing

[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Had not heard of this technique being applied outside qualitative research (although its goal is the opposite of qualitative research, the methods are near identical). Thanks for introducing me to this.

Now. We just need to find one, just one billionaire on our side to fund it.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That’s great, but like many other efforts, it’s only really effective face-to-face, one at a time. There are millions of these people who have been mass-brainwashed by media targeting them in the hundreds of thousands.

We need to combat that with similar efforts, or we’ll all be dead before it works.

What we really need is for anti-cult psychology experts to team up with viral video producers to make loads of deprogramming content that will actually pierce the snowglobes. And we need it yesterday.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago

God damn did they setup that name for Fox News to scream it 24/7.

Beware the extended conversation with the communist, the colored, and the witch!

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately in the US deep canvassing is not a viable strategy for most political campaigns since it’s too resource intensive. It’s far more effective to canvass as way of identifying likely voters. Then you can make sure they vote when the time comes.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I can't say for sure if it's viable at scale or not. I can say with certainty that it was a big part of why California finally approved same-sex marriage in the early 2000s.

You don't have to convince everybody, just enough to tip the scales in your favor.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When Biden wins, who's betting we'll see Trump on the ballot again in 2028? And if not, in 2032? And so on, and so on...and if not him one of his kids...and if not them someone far more insidious and intelligent than them all...this is only the beginning. Trump is just the tip of evil rearing its horrific head.

[–] meleecrits@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What frightens me: who is going to be the next Trump? Let's face it, there will likely be another Republican president at some point. Our election system almost guarantees it. Will they do the decent thing and try to work towards the betterment of the country, or will they continue their predecessors' path towards dictatorship? The other front-runners don't inspire much confidence in the former (exception: maybe Christie, but there's virtually no way he'll win).

Nearly every Republican that voted to impeach Trump lost their primary vote, so I only see them going further right, and a lot of people seem to be okay with this.

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 9 points 10 months ago

If it's someone like Mike Johnson then people are going to become nostalgic for Trump lmao

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are no other front runners. They are all polling double digits behind Trump.

[–] meleecrits@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True. He will win the primary. I'm saying that everyone, but Steve Christie, is more than happy to continue down the path Trump started. This is a trend I doubt will change after Trump is gone.

[–] Bz2486@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

short for Stevetopher

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

We’re living in a time when creating extremists is too easy. People used to have to stand in little rooms full of disgruntled people and yell into a microphone. They had to organize and create newspapers and pamphlets. They had to have money to spread their message. They had to lose money to spread their message in hopes of taking power. It took years to rile up enough people to create problems.

Now, any dangerous person has the ability to reach an audience with ease.

It has gotten so bad that even people who aren’t even remotely connected to the internet are extremists. Pawpaw with his flip phone stands at the gas station being radicalized by his old work buddy.

I actually feel like I have to just have faith that everything will work out and our system can save itself.

I hope we don’t end up having to rebuild it all one day with some big nasty lesson we learn and then forget again.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Republican politicians only care about winning. If Trump fails yet again, they will change their strategy. The right wing base are mostly subservient people so they'll fall in line.

Fascist movements oftentimes fizzle out. There's generally a cult of personality involved with these movements, and when the leader dies it tends to fade away. Trump isn't young nor is he healthy, it's very unlikely he'll live to 2028. Same goes for a lot of his supporters in the boomer generation.

Sure there is a good number of fashy types in the younger generations but not enough to win an election.

Most important thing is that young people go out and vote in this election.

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[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 28 points 10 months ago (30 children)

Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?

With one of the shittier implementations of it in the world, I think it's not. Capitalism seems more sacred to the US, anyway. In a truly democratic system, the US would have a decent and cheaper healthcare system, a sensible way to report taxes, a political class actually responsible to the people, no "political dynasties" etc.

Also, Biden wouldn't be president, or at least he couldn't campaign as a protest candidate against Trump.

Trump is not "willing to sacrifice democracy". He's actively fighting against it. The guy is not behaving like "democracy is important, but me being president is importanter", he's going "I lost because of democracy, so let's get rid of it".

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago

Never before has a president been more right.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does he think Trump's followers don't know that?

They want that.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mr Biden, who spoke near the Valley Forge historical site where George Washington and the Continental Army were encamped during the winter of 1777 and 1778, told attendees that they were there “to answer the most important of questions: Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?”

The president said the violence that day was the “one desperate act” left available to Mr Trump, and pointed out that even though Republicans in the House and Senate — and their allies on the Fox News Channel — had “publicly and privately condemned the attack,” the disgraced ex-president and many of his allies have chosen instead to accept a revisionist history, in which the attack was a peaceful protest and those who’ve been arrested for committing crimes that day are political prisoners.

The president’s appearance at Valley Forge comes as the Department of Justice marked the three-year anniversary of the January 6 attack by noting that there have been 1,265 arrests made of pro-Trump rioters, including 452 who’ve been charged with assaulting or otherwise obstructing police officers that day.

But the president noted how Mr Trump has chosen to lionise those criminals, and how he had “began his 2024 campaign by glorifying the failed violent insurrection at our capitol”.

Mr Biden contrasted the late first president with the disgraced 45th and his supporters, and pointed out that many of the rioters who stormed the Capitol in support of Mr Trump passed by the iconic portrait of then-General Washington resigning his commission as a general in the Continental Army at the end of the American Revolution, setting a precedent of civilian control over the military that persists in the US today.

Continuing, he reminded attendees that the painter, John Turnbull, once called that moment “one of the highest moral lessons ever given to the world” and recalled how Washington “could have held onto that power as long as he wanted”.


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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trumps as cold as ice

He is willing to sacrifice our democracy

You want paradise

But someday he'll pay the price, I know

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